02-11-2004, 07:06
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TF Kilo's info the same as I received.
Handrail: Described to me as a feature on the map such as a road, creek, ridgeline, cut, etc that you can walk beside. You are holding onto it visually so hence the name "handrailing."
Backstop: Another terrain feature past the point you are navigating to where if you make it to the 'backstop' you know you have passed your point.
HTH.
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02-11-2004, 08:21
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"Backstop" is also called a "catching feature", as in: "If you cross the paved road, you've gone too far."
The paved road would be a "catching feature."
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02-11-2004, 09:06
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Excellent, informative thread...
Can someone define the Reaper's "boxing out" term?
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02-11-2004, 11:39
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Quote:
Originally posted by TF Kilo
Intersection: You know where you are. You want to know where this tank you see is. Shoot an azmiuth. Mark it on your map. Move to another known point, and shoot another azimuth to the tank, then mark it on your map. The intersection of these is where the tank is.
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Excellent topic and definitions.
ONE correction, a tanker would never walk so far from his tank that he "lost" it.....besides, tankers aren't that quiet......  I apologize for the mini hi-jack but it beckoned to me.
On-topic, fwiw, it is also wise not to shoot azimuths while close to large metal objects (like a tank)...it will effect the reading.
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02-12-2004, 20:32
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Reaper is at the Shot Show this weekend so someone else please step up and explain the "boxing out" term. Thanks
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02-12-2004, 21:05
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Quote:
Originally posted by Sacamuelas
Reaper is away so someone else please step up and explain the "boxing out" term. Thanks
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Wait 'tll he comes back.
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02-13-2004, 09:37
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I'll take a shot at it NDD. It may not be the "Boxing method" the Reaper is thinking about but it's one of the box methods....
One “box” method used in land navigation is to accurately circumnavigate an obstacle in ones path.
As you approach an obstacle you do not desire to navigate through, say a swamp, you take a 90 degree right or left turn, move a set distance, make another 90 degree turn walk until you’ve passed the obstacle and then make a third 90 degree turn to return to your original path and a last 90 degree turn back on azimuth.
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02-14-2004, 09:11
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Thank you Team Sergeant.
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02-16-2004, 17:18
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As usual, the Team Sergeant is correct.
That technique is most commonly used at SFAS to avoid water obstacles and the dreaded "draw monster".
TR
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02-16-2004, 18:59
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Now why would you want to avoid the draws? That's the whole point of going out there. 
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He knows only The Cause.
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02-16-2004, 19:25
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Quote:
Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Now why would you want to avoid the draws? That's the whole point of going out there.
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I see students crawling out every class looking like they have been in a hand to gland class with a leopard.
Many times, they no longer have all of the equipment they went in with.
One of the reasons we teach the technique. As always, the choice is yours.
TR
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