12-02-2016, 18:21
|
#1
|
Guerrilla
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Amarillo, Texas
Posts: 109
|
Trump talk with Taiwan President
I do not know much about the political, military, or economic interactions between the US and East Asia, so I would like to know what the importance or impact is of the conversation that Trump had with Taiwan's president. I know that China regards Taiwan as a territory, but why does it matter if we talk with Taiwan? Is there a strategic (military/economic) incentive for building a relationship with Taiwan? Or is this simply an F you! To China? Thanks for your time.
|
TWITCHY is offline
|
|
12-05-2016, 14:59
|
#2
|
Guerrilla
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Sanford, NC
Posts: 160
|
Trump’s Taiwan Call Wasn’t a Blunder
|
CloseDanger is offline
|
|
12-05-2016, 17:20
|
#3
|
Guerrilla
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Amarillo, Texas
Posts: 109
|
Thank you for posting that article. I can see why it is important to China, as in "We are the real China and Taiwan is ours!" But, other than Trump making a point that he will handle China (mainland) differently, I don't understand the importance to America. Especially, when China has veto power in the Security council. I'm not saying we should be there bitch, but what do we get out of it? Again, thanks.
|
TWITCHY is offline
|
|
12-05-2016, 17:29
|
#4
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Tennesse
Posts: 766
|
China is busy making artificial islands in the South China Sea, putting airstrips and air defenses on them, and claiming twelve miles of national waters around each one. Some of the smaller islands are natural, and claimed by other countries, but hey, whatever....
China has also stolen all of our military weapons program secrets for 20 years without so much as an angry letter from Uncle Sam.
Donnie T pissed off China? Whatever.
I am pretty sure they are more concerned with the boatloads of guns and missiles we send them annually than they are with Trump's phone chat.
|
scooter is offline
|
|
12-06-2016, 07:50
|
#5
|
Area Commander
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Hobbiton
Posts: 1,198
|
China loves claiming inslut, posturing, and sabre ratteling. It's their way.
S
__________________
"Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men! Do not pray for tasks equal to your powers. Pray for power equal to your tasks."
-- Phillip Brooks
"A man's reach should exceed his grasp"
-- Robert Browning
"Hooah! Pushing thru the shit til Daisies grow, Sir"
-- Me
"Malo mori quam foedari"
"Death before Dishonour"
-- Family Coat-of-Arms Maxim
"Mārohirohi! Kia Kaha!"
"Be strong! Drive-on!"
-- Māori saying
|
Scimitar is offline
|
|
12-06-2016, 13:49
|
#6
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Sneaking back and forth across the Border
Posts: 6,628
|
Who cares if they are but hurt. What are they going to do ... Close all the Chinese restaurants in the US?
|
SF_BHT is offline
|
|
12-06-2016, 16:39
|
#7
|
Guerrilla
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Sanford, NC
Posts: 160
|
Balance of power is one reason. Many small Allies may keep China from growing hungry for more territory. Fishing is a big thing for all Nations involved.
We have Treatise with many of these Nations where we provide defence in order to keep them all de-escelated.
With our current power being perceived as waning, it is imperative to interject with strength and some cunning influence and policy grooming.
If other Nations see US as supporting small Nations like these, it may solidify alliances we have and gain more.
The west does not pay mind properly to the East Asia. For when conflict spurs there, it has been historically bloody. And we always get drawn in.
Japan killed more than 16 Million people the last time they got antsy. Asians are just as tribal as all and hold deep resentment of past wars.
Strength is Peace.
|
CloseDanger is offline
|
|
12-06-2016, 18:38
|
#8
|
Guerrilla
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Amarillo, Texas
Posts: 109
|
CloseDanger, your reply makes a lot of sense to me. Whether it is Trump or his advisers doing this, by your explanation, it would seem that they have a plan to interject American strength, again. Makes me feel good knowing that our next President won't be going to Cairo (or any other country) to apologize for American strength and exceptionalism. Thanks for the replies.
|
TWITCHY is offline
|
|
12-06-2016, 19:00
|
#9
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Washington
Posts: 2,053
|
Here's my take:
China has said in the past that if we recognize Taiwan as a nation, China will invade Taiwan. Officially, they consider Taiwan as a renegade Chinese province.
Except for once (a slip up), no American president has said what the U.S. response to an invasion would be. Saying we will defend Taiwan is a line in the sand that forces action. Saying we will not defend signs Taiwan's death warrant. Yet, we sell Taiwan $$ billions in military hardware each year for their own defense. Taiwan wouldn't stand a chance alone against the PLA naval, air, and land forces. Losing Taiwan would be a huge blow to U.S. prestige and influence in the Pacific, and globally.
China sees Trump's call as a dangerous step towards U.S. recognition of Taiwan as an independent nation.
China getting their collective panties in a wad over that phone call is a sign of them trying to project power regionally, yet they don't know how to read PEOTUS Trump and are worried about the future of US-China relations.
China plays a multi-decade political game while the U.S. plays four years at a time, yet our China policy, vis-à-vis Taiwan, has remained fairly constant since the early 1970s.
China is confused for the moment and will, in spite of complaining, will probably take a near term wait and see attitude until they figure out what the new China policy will be.
__________________
Grando autem duodecimo hominis
|
Divemaster is offline
|
|
12-06-2016, 20:47
|
#10
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Just above the flood plain in Southern Texas
Posts: 3,608
|
***Fake News*** CNN Reports that President-Elect Trump has signed a deal to sell two Ohio Class Attack submarines to Taiwan in addition to taking possession of the 100 F35 Multi-Purpose Strike Fighters built for Canada. This new trade agreement between the U.S. and Taiwan signaled a new bilateral cooperation in the Pacific. In other news the 7th Fleet headed by the newest Aircraft Carrier Gerald R. Ford has been sent to the South China Sea for training maneuvers.
__________________
You only live once; live well. Have no regrets when the end happens!
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” (Sir Edmund Burke)
|
Old Dog New Trick is offline
|
|
12-07-2016, 02:02
|
#11
|
Quiet Professional
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Northwest AR
Posts: 490
|
Interesting viewpoint by a Democrat.
What academics and my party don’t understand is that he’s not interested in starting a war. He simply recognizes that we’re already in one. And he’s giving voice to its long-suffering victims: millions of voters in places like North Carolina, Ohio, and Michigan.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/...-2-dems-0.html
__________________
"For exercise I recommend vigorous walking... and carrying a gun. The gun’s weight will increase the level of exercise and the possession of a gun on a walk produces real confidence."
Thomas Jefferson
|
doctom54 is offline
|
|
12-07-2016, 09:23
|
#12
|
Guerrilla
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Sanford, NC
Posts: 160
|
That is true guys. The fact that this was pre-planned gives me a good feeling. A kind of Reagan Hostages thing - was pre-planned too. Very well done.
|
CloseDanger is offline
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:56.
|
|
|