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Old 07-05-2016, 16:25   #46
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You just buried the needle on my sarcasmeter.

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You guys don't get it. Don't you see the TRANSPARENCY in this whole charade. The HMFIC (Director) of the FBI just stood behind the podium of the best and most integrity defined Federal Law Enforcement agency in the free world, and said: "Nothing to see here, move along!"

He will be publicly supported by his Chief the AG and will someday receive his "Freedom Medal" for outstanding public service to the country and the President.

Transparency indeed. You could see the puppet, but not the strings. The show must go on...the script is written in blood.
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Old 07-05-2016, 16:28   #47
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If I didn't know better, I'd suspect it's because none of them wants to end up meeting with a mysterious demise...

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If there was nothing criminal taking place, why did Brian Pagliano need a grant of immunity from the FBI in their "criminal" investigation. Why did Pagliano, and other aides, invoke their 5th amendment rights during the Judicial Watch civil case depositions? That's a lot of ass covering for simple carelessness.
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Old 07-05-2016, 16:33   #48
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Something needs to be done.
There is no voting our way out of this.
What I was thinking if Mr. Trump does not prevail I will be spending some retirement money on a .308 and .338

Foreign and domestic.
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Foreign and domestic.
Precisely. And, in the interests of diversity, not necessarily in that order.
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You guys don't get it. Don't you see the TRANSPARENCY in this whole charade. The HMFIC (Director) of the FBI just stood behind the podium of the best and most integrity defined Federal Law Enforcement agency in the free world, and said: "Nothing to see here, move along!"

He will be publicly supported by his Chief the AG and will someday receive his "Freedom Medal" for outstanding public service to the country and the President.

Transparency indeed. You could see the puppet, but not the strings. The show must go on...the script is written in blood.
Comey is a treasonous POS, but regardless of that folks need to keep their eye on November and work to give Hillary the boot.
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Old 07-05-2016, 16:47   #51
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Comey is a treasonous POS, but regardless of that folks need to keep their eye on November and work to give Hillary the boot.
The Denver boot...or cankle monitor at least.
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Old 07-05-2016, 19:27   #52
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The guberment might not like it when we start wearing wooden shoes....but the message is, it's modus operandi.
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Old 07-05-2016, 21:37   #53
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The Denver boot...or cankle monitor at least.
Probably never happen Tony, but I think it is realistic to say things are going to get really, really ugly in the not so distant future. The conventions are being billed as riot zones, could it get out of hand to the extent that Obama get a third term??? And HRC gets elected the pieces have been put in place so that she can hit the ground running to lay waste to what remains of the USA as we know it.


What we do know without a doubt is that the rule of law is a joke and that law enforcement will not uphold the laws they took an oath to uphold.




It all seems to be hanging by a very fine thread.
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Old 07-06-2016, 05:23   #54
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The presidential election this November is the opportunity for folks to unite even if it is merely to hold DC accountable.

Pas, I have to believe that the nation is stronger than the Clinton crime family. Although, there does appear to be a double standard between the powerful in DC and the average joe. This phenomena is not new. The way forward this election cycle just became a little more clear for those who might have sat on the sideline or cast a protest vote.
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"...To be clear this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions but that’s not what we’re deciding here..."

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Comey admits that she was grossly negligent, which is the only standard mentioned in T18, but invents a new standard not mentioned in T18 "no intent to violate the law".
We truly are a nation of men, now, not laws. If you have power and influence you have a different set of rules than the rest of us.

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The Constitution had a nice run there for a while.
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Also from Thomas Jefferson:

"Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry."
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Something needs to be done.
There is no voting our way out of this.

I've really tried hard to believe that voting matters, and that our system would right itself eventually under the right leadership. Preferably within my lifetime. However this blatant display of Oligarchy being smeared on our face like a warm, runny handful of sh*t is what I consider the next-to-last straw. If she whose name I dare not speak wins in November, that's the last straw. My children will not be ruled.

I do not want my kids, or future grandkids asking me "Dad/Pop-Pop, what did you do to try and stop what is happening to us?"

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I've really tried hard to believe that voting matters, and that our system would right itself eventually under the right leadership. Preferably within my lifetime. However this blatant display of Oligarchy being smeared on our face like a warm, runny handful of sh*t is what I consider the next-to-last straw. If she whose name I dare not speak wins in November, that's the last straw. My children will not be ruled.

I do not want my kids, or future grandkids asking me "Dad/Pop-Pop, what did you do to try and stop what is happening to us?"
I agree.

When publically elected individuals and government agencies unilaterally decide that the Constitution and the laws set down for this great nation no longer apply to them then the time for academic discussion is over.

This is tyranny, this is despotism and it will not stand.

The next shots fired will not be from a "domestic terrorist" but will be fired by an angry "patriot".

In my opinion the American people now have two choices, send the corrupt progressives/socialists packing or engage in a civil war.


Prepare yourselves.
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I've really tried hard to believe that voting matters, and that our system would right itself eventually under the right leadership. Preferably within my lifetime. However this blatant display of Oligarchy being smeared on our face like a warm, runny handful of sh*t is what I consider the next-to-last straw. If she whose name I dare not speak wins in November, that's the last straw. My children will not be ruled.

I do not want my kids, or future grandkids asking me "Dad/Pop-Pop, what did you do to try and stop what is happening to us?"
You're not alone at all, brother. I am so sick of shaking my head and watching our so-called leaders f'k this country and our constitution like a series of meaningless one night stands. Being an American still has meaning to me and watching this unfold disgusts me in its purest and rawest form.
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A thought provoking article illustrating unintended consequences.

You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience

Kurt Schlichter|Posted: Jul 04, 2016 12:01 AM
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Sometimes in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another. It is high time to declare our personal independence from any remnant of obligation to those who have spit upon the rule of law. We owe them nothing - not respect, not loyalty, not obedience.

Think about it. If you are out driving at 3 a.m., do you stop at a stop sign when there’s no one coming? Of course you do. You don’t need a cop to be there to make you stop. You do it voluntarily because this is America and America is a country where obeying the law is the right thing to do because the law was justly made and is justly applied. Or it used to be.

The law mattered. It applied equally to everyone. We demanded that it did, all of us – politicians, the media, and regular citizens. Oh, there were mistakes and miscarriages of justice but they weren’t common and they weren’t celebrated – they were universally reviled. And, more importantly, they weren’t part and parcel of the ideology of one particular party. There was once a time where you could imagine a Democrat scandal where the media actually called for the head of the Democrat instead of deploying to cover it up.

People assumed that the law mattered, that the same rules applied to everyone. That duly enacted laws would be enforced equally until repealed. That the Constitution set the foundation and that its guarantees would be honored even if we disliked the result in a particular case. But that’s not our country today.

The idea of the rule of law today is a lie. There is no law. There is no justice. There are only lies.

Hillary Clinton is manifestly guilty of multiple felonies. Her fans deny it half-heartedly, but mostly out of habit – in the end, it’s fine with them if she’s a felon. They don’t care. It’s just some law. What’s the big deal? It doesn’t matter that anyone else would be in jail right now for doing a fraction of what she did. But the law is not important. Justice is not important.

The idea of the rule of law today is a lie. There is no law. There is no justice. There are only lies.

Hillary Clinton is manifestly guilty of multiple felonies. Her fans deny it half-heartedly, but mostly out of habit – in the end, it’s fine with them if she’s a felon. They don’t care. It’s just some law. What’s the big deal? It doesn’t matter that anyone else would be in jail right now for doing a fraction of what she did. But the law is not important. Justice is not important.

The attorney general secretly canoodles with the husband of the subject of criminal investigation by her own department and the president, the enforcer of our laws, shrugs. The media, the challenger of the powerful, smirks. They rub our noses in their contempt for the law. And by doing so, demonstrate their contempt for us.

Only power matters, and Hillary stands ready to accumulate more power on their behalf so their oaths, their alleged principles, their duty to the country – all of it goes out the window. But it’s much worse than just one scandal that seems not to scandalize anyone in the elite. Just read the Declaration of Independence – it’s almost like those dead white Christian male proto-NRA members foresaw and cataloged the myriad oppressions of liberalism’s current junior varsity tyranny.

There is one law for them, and another for us. Sanctuary cities? Obama’s immigration orders? If you conservatives can play by the rules and pass your laws, then we liberals will just not enforce them. You don’t get the benefit of the laws you like. We get the benefit of the ones we do, though. Not you. Too bad, rubes.

So if you are still obeying the law when you don’t absolutely have to, when there isn’t some government enforcer with a gun lurking right there to make you, aren’t you kind of a sucker?

Don’t you feel foolish, like you’re the only one who didn’t get the memo that it’s every man/woman/non-binary entity for his/her/its self?

Who is standing against this? Not the judges. The Constitution? Meh. Why should their personal agendas be constrained by some sort of foundational document? Judges find rights that don’t appear in the text and gut ones that do. Just ask a married gay guy in Los Angeles who can’t carry a concealed weapons to protect himself from [OMITTED] radicals.

The politicians won’t stand against this. The Democrats support allowing the government to jail people for criticizing politicians and clamor to take away citizens’ rights merely because some government flunky has put their name on a list. Their “minority report” on Benghazi is an attack on Trump, and to them the idea of congressional oversight of a Democrat official whose incompetence put four Americans in the ground is not merely illegitimate; it’s a joke.

Is the media standing against this, those sainted watchdogs protecting us from the powerful? Don’t make me laugh.

What do these moral abortions have in common? Short term political gain over principle. These people are so used to the good life that a society’s reflexive reliance on the principle of the rule of law brings that they think they can undermine it with impunity. Oh it’s no big deal if we do this, they reason. Everyone else will keep playing by the rules, right? Everything will be fine even as we score in the short term.

The Romans had principles for a while. Then they got tempted to abandon principle for – wait for it – short term political gain. Then they got Caesar. Then the emperors. Then the barbarians. And then the Dark Ages. But hey, we’re much smarter and more sophisticated than the Romans, who were so dumb they didn’t even know that gender is a matter of choice. Our civilization is permanent and indestructible – it’s not like we are threatened by barbarians who want to come massacre us.

Oh, wait. The last words of some of these people to their radical Muslim killers before they are beheaded will be, “Please remember me as not being Islamaphobic! And sorry about the Crusades!”

There used to be a social contract requiring that our government treat us all equally within the scope of the Constitution and defend us, and in return we would recognize the legitimacy of its laws and defend it when in need. But that contract has been breached. We are not all equal before the law. Our constitutional rights are not being upheld. We are not being defended – hell, we normals get blamed every time some Seventh Century savage goes on a kill spree. Yet we’re still supposed to keep going along as if everything is cool, obeying the law, subsidizing the elite with our taxes, taking their abuse. We’ve been evicted by the landlord but he still wants us to pay him rent.

Now it seems we actually have a new social contract – do what we say and don’t resist, and in return we’ll abuse you, lie about you, take your money, and look down upon you in contempt. What a bargain!

It’s not a social contract anymore – American society today is a suicide pact we never agreed to and yet we’re expected to go first.

I say “No.”

We owe them nothing - not respect, not loyalty, not obedience. Nothing.

We make it easy for them by going along. We make it simple by defaulting to the old rules. But there are no rules anymore, certainly none that morally bind us once we are outside the presence of some government worker with a gun to force our compliance. There is only will and power and we must rediscover our own. If there is no cop sitting right there, then there is nothing to make you stop at that stop sign tonight.

They don’t realize that by rejecting the rule of law, they have set us free. We are independent. We owe them nothing - not respect, not loyalty, not obedience. But with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we will still mutually pledge those who have earned our loyalty with their adherence to the rule of law, our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

http://townhall.com/columnists/kurts...ience-n2186865
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Old 07-06-2016, 09:45   #59
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tonyz says "The presidential election this November is the opportunity for folks to unite even if it is merely to hold DC accountable."
That's comical as the GOP, Conservatives, TEA Party, RINO Republicans are all un-functionable.

It's sad when the Bush's cry like babies and are going to sit the convention out. Romney is doing all in his power to drump Trump.

If it's not a party insider, they'd rather have a liberal Democrat.

Liberal Democrat, RINO Republican, same horse, same color.
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That's comical as the GOP, Conservatives, TEA Party, RINO Republicans are all un-functionable.

If it's not a party insider, they'd rather have a liberal Democrat.

Liberal Democrat, RINO Republican, same horse, same color.
Exactly.
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