10-09-2019, 10:53
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Robin Sage is going to have to add a week of "convincing the Pinelanders we totally won't hang you out to dry" training.
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They already do - its the part when you go around painting fences and fixing barn doors - aka -demobilization.
Nobody seems to remember that part in the SFQC when you are taught that one of the things that MUST BE DONE is to demobilize your force when the USA is done fighting.
...not when the partner forces are done fighting - when "WE" are done fighting.
Well.... "We" are done fighting.
The love affair with the Kurds is the same type of relationship that gets undercover narcotics agents murdered and buried at sea.
Never fall in love with your surrogates...
This is what happens when you have 20 years worth of senior leaders that have forgetten where they came from at the expense of becoming fascinated with direct action.
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10-09-2019, 11:04
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Originally Posted by Box
They already do - its the part when you go around painting fences and fixing barn doors - aka -demobilization.
Nobody seems to remember that part in the SFQC when you are taught that one of the things that MUST BE DONE is to demobilize your force when the USA is done fighting.
...not when the partner forces are done fighting - when "WE" are done fighting.
Well.... "We" are done fighting.
The love affair with the Kurds is the same type of relationship that gets undercover narcotics agents murdered and buried at sea.
Never fall in love with your surrogates...
This is what happens when you have 20 years worth of senior leaders that have forgetten where they came from at the expense of becoming fascinated with direct action.
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Exactly.
We helped them when it helped us. Now it no longer helps us and they are on their own.
Hopefully they "free" the ISIS prisoners in place. If not, i'm sure the Turks will figure out what to do with them. Either way it sounds like a win to me.
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10-09-2019, 13:27
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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick
Watching Outnumbered on Fox...David Webb just educated four uninformed talking heads and the one (the Dim voice) got schooled.
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That wouldn't be Marie Harf, Kerry's little elitist Spox when he was SECSTATE would it? The one that wouldn't answer a direct question because it would be "far too nuanced" for you illiterate peasants?
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10-09-2019, 13:53
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That wouldn't be Marie Harf, Kerry's little elitist Spox when he was SECSTATE would it? The one that wouldn't answer a direct question because it would be "far too nuanced" for you illiterate peasants?
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Yep
On a side note watching the ‘news’ today. No one is asking why Turkey is invading Syria to create a buffer zone. Aren’t a country’s borders usually the point at which you don’t violate sovereignty or create acts of war? Anyone think Bashar al Assad might have an opinion about this?
ETA: President Trump just gave a tremendously awesome answer to a reporters question on withdrawing US Forces in Syria. Very powerful speech about the MIC and perma-war and the true costs of fighting.
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10-09-2019, 15:26
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Very powerful speech about the MIC and perma-war and the true costs of fighting.
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IMO if the suits were a little more circumspect in where & when they throw it, that pointy end of the spear would stay sharper, longer. [ makes curmudgeon-like FOG sound]
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10-09-2019, 17:48
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To think if only Trump were president in 2004 then maybe we would have left Afghanistan after achieving most if not all of our national objectives and establishing methods to influence the future in that country. Maybe we would have also left the Baathists de facto in charge in Iraq and and saved so many Americans from being maimed and killed.
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10-10-2019, 08:07
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10-10-2019, 08:43
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Something about this article... 
35,000,000 Kurds in the region
2% (700,000) is a force that would outnumber all but the top 5 of the Worlds individual standing armies
Throw out the Kurd-commies, go for 1% and it would be the size of Turkey's army
link: 29 Largest Armies In The World
Am I missing something??
Too many Americans are enamored with Kurosawa's Shichinin no Samurai.
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After 18 yrs I don't think SWA fits the bill for a re-make of The Magnificent Seven.
Although, in 2001, there was a glimmer. 
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10-10-2019, 09:51
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Still no link in the media that Turkey is a NATO member and allied with the USA and continue to mis-state for political propaganda purposes that the Kurds (apparently they are all one for now) are allied with the US and are due the same differentiation.
Also still missing from this reporting is that Turkey is bombing and invading Syria...not Kurdistan (which BTW does not exist.)
ETA: There is this - https://apple.news/AkeHK1LkAT5-dD_6L6w9C-Q where the President of the United States of America has shown the necessary leadership to unite most countries of the world in joining together in opposition of Turkey’s actions. Good job President Trump!
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10-10-2019, 15:00
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Funny how when Turkey previously intervened in the region there was hardly any media attention or concern for kurds. Another great example of artificially crafted media coverage, and that U.S. relations with Turkey have clearly changed from what they were 2-3 years ago.
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10-10-2019, 16:26
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If there was a Kurdistan I'd say stay/assist....there is no Kurdistan and altho I am sympathetic what are the options....stay there forever as a police force.
No.
If they declare a state then revisit support but as a speed bump entity...forever...no.
This is big 'news' because Dems have discovered they like unending conflicts because Trump does not....if he said....'I'd never invade Canada' ...Maxine would declare a Constitutional crisis and demand we invade Canada...…
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10-10-2019, 17:02
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This is big 'news' because Dems have discovered they like unending conflicts because Trump does not....if he said....'I'd never invade Canada' ...Maxine would declare a Constitutional crisis and demand we invade Canada...…
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Bingo. They said & did nothing while Erdogan dumped boatloads of fighting age lslamists into Merkel's welcoming EU Nirvana. (Ask Sweden how that's working out.)
The prime mover of all this - both parties - is because Orange Man Bad.
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10-12-2019, 08:57
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I share his sentiment. As someone who almost ended up up in Erbil 3 years ago, I felt a gut punch with the announcement. Logically and strategically, I concurred but it was still heart and soul crushing
Yes, I am enamoured w seven samurai, the Alamo, Benghazi etc etc. The peshmerga, YPJ, YPG fiercely fought daesh while the rest of the world sat idly by watching Yazidis butchered. It may be naive, but it was as black and white as Auswitz. That’s why volunteers flew in from all over the world, including Iraq war vets. Some died too.
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10-12-2019, 12:15
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Maybe someone should tell our allies to redirect their arty until we are finished packing our bags.
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10-12-2019, 14:57
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Maybe US forces and French forces would exercise their right to self defense that would prompt Erdogan to reconsider his atrocious move
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If not, i'm sure the Turks will figure out what to do with them. Either way it sounds like a win to me.
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Word from the ground is the Turks recycle the jihadis ie into free Syrian army to fight the Kurds/SDF. A win for the Turks
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Der, der Geld verliert, verliert einiges;
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