Democrats Stole the Election in California — Legally, Through ‘Ballot Harvesting’

[WarriorDiplomat]

Originally Posted by hardcorps

Here's an article that sums it all up quite succinctly: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp

It was posted on MSNBC, so many of you will just outright label it as "Fake News." Call it what you like, but the numbers don't lie. As one political consultant said in the article: “If you were running for dogcatcher in Orange County — or in a lot of places in California — and you had an ‘R’ next to your name on the ballot, you lost.”

Numbers don't lie? there is not a honest mathematician, statistician or a actuary who would agree with such a naïve statement

We've had some devastating fires here in California these past few years, and in the face of that Trump and many other Republicans are still labeling climate change as a "hoax" or "Fake News." Fine. I'll trust the opinions of thousands of scientists, over the half-baked opinions of a former real estate developer. Many other voters in California obviously feel the same. That's not my only reason for switching from red to blue, but it's one of them.

When the Republicans regain their senses and move back to being the party of Reagan, Bush, McCain, and former California Governor Pete Wilson, I'll be happy to switch back.

Reagan, Wilson were the last of the good Republicans the rest were RINO's

I suppose you missed the reason why Americans went outside the establishment of professional politicians and self serving narcissist like McCain. TERM LIMITS needs to be adopted....force these professional leaches back to the private sector to reacquaint themselves with the rest of our struggles

How do the Dems like Clintons and Obama become so wealthy on public servant salaries???

The primary reason many do not like Trump is his abrasiveness and status quo breaking away with un-Presidential behavior more importantly he doesn't publicly cow down and then go behind the backs to do the same thing away from prying eyes Americans always seem to suspect politicians are dirty hence the jokes and characterization of corruption....A President that frames the problem as it is and says it is not what Americans are accustomed to.....

Californians are anti Trump for the above reasons then they take direction from actors????look at the Hollywood establishment where the stories and accusations of pedophilia have come out of there for years and years and yet they turn a blind eye to it....how many members of the Hollywood elite were members of the Man-Boy hook up agency NAMBLA? they used the casting couch willingly in an exchange of sex for fame and fortune as they snort their cocaine at night and drink health shakes in the morning and wait until they are ironically rich and famous and then complain....common Americans cannot understand how these Hollywood elites can glorify the stuff they do in their make believe world of movies then appoint themselves the moral compasses of America...then speak publicly against the POTUS...is their debauchery part of the swamp? it certainly seems suspicious they are in such a fervor

Trumps policies make sense to intelligent common sense blue collar Americans the shakers and movers of society the producers of jobs the trades that makes America Globally competitive.

I don't think you have gathered why D.C. is a swamp and how those you named are rolled into the same swamp critters as the rest this "collusion" did not happen overnight the dirty back room deals the wealth gain the exchange of favors to accomplish each others objective of being able to say they accomplished 1 campaign promise yada yada yada

[WarriorDiplomat]

Originally Posted by Badger52

Except once they got their Uranium deal the Russians didn't care whether Felonia von Pantsuit got rolled up or not; her further value < Putin's dislike for her because she fostered that little thing in the Ukraine over which he's been a tad PO'd, he didn't like her already, the new Ukrainian regime was trying to help her, and he knows the Dem establishment are the genuine foreign-intrigue mongers in the bunch. The old term 'useful idiot' applies. After the Rostom deal he probably just said, "my hands are washed."

Other than that, umm, yeah, you pretty much summed it up.


I mean, this is bigger than the average baseball conference at the mound... we gotta lotta shit goin' on here.

Like has nothing to do with the what can you do for me world of politics.....Its not as if Clinton/Obama actually stood up to the Russians fight for Crimea and actually put their feet down.....and more importantly Clinton is proven herself far more corruptible IMO than Trump is......her willingness to make under the table deals for personal gain isn't exactly a secret.


My point was who would the Russians stand to gain more from? IMO Clinto and if this is the case shown by her actions why in gods green earth would anyone think Putin would collude to keep her out of office??

[tonyz]

Historically, CA wildfires have largely been attributed to people (accidental and arson), machines, downed powerlines and lightening - not global warming.

Do an Internet search for the “causes of the California wildfires” and the articles stretch back for years and years including the LA Times, The NYT, the SF Chronical, National Geographic, The Atlantic, etc., etc., etc.

As to the 5th largest economy in the world...even Venezuela was an exceptionally strong economy prior to the socialists taking over and undeniably running that country into the ground.

While it is true that California has been blessed with an abundance of natural beauty, an incredible climate, vast resources and a number of incrediby successful industries - it also suffers from vast unfunded pension and healthcare liabilities, a large and ever growing welfare state, and nearly unbridled illegal immigration along with the increased costs associated with that. As many have observed, California for all its success, is rapidly becoming a place of the haves and the have-nots with a shrinking middle class.

Anyone who believes that larger government, higher taxes, less individual freedom and an open border is the key to happiness and prosperity...deserves Nancy Pelosi. Lol, the party of Klinton, Obama, Schumer...Maxine Waters...really?

I just hope that when the spending catches up with the spendthrifts...and it will...those who voted for that mess don’t ask the Feds to bail out the once beautiful state of California.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by hardcorps

There was no Republican running for senator because in the statewide primaries the two candidates who received the highest number of votes were both Democrats.

Right! That's the very definition of democracy . . . Soviet democracy. One Party, no waiting.

p.s.: I also worked in Hollywood and know what a cesspool of Socialism/Communism it is.

[hardcorps]

Originally Posted by tonyz

Historically, CA wildfires have largely been attributed to people (accidental and arson), machines, downed powerlines and lightening - not global warming.

Of course, global warming did not start the fires, but it made them worse, and allowed them to become these destructive, life-taking infernos that we've seen the past couple of years. The temperatures have been hotter and the humidity has been lower than I or anyone else living here can ever remember. Last summer the temperature in my neighborhood actually peaked at 117 degrees. I've been living in the San Fernando Valley for decades now, and I've never seen the temperature get that high.

But we're getting off point. The Democrats did not "steal" this last election in California, and this "ballot harvesting" contention is beyond ridiculous. Like I said, if we were talking about Texas, the results of this last election would certainly be an unexplained anomaly, but not in California, not in 2018. Accept the fact that California has simply been pushed by the current regime in Washington into becoming a solidly blue state. And we've also grown to become the world's fifth largest economy, so we must be doing something right, despite all the years with Jerry Brown at the helm.

[cbtengr]

Originally Posted by hardcorps

Here's an article that sums it all up quite succinctly: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartandhp



When the Republicans regain their senses and move back to being the party of Reagan, Bush, McCain, and former California Governor Pete Wilson, I'll be happy to switch back.

I pray the R's don't go back to being the party of these two. I can understand however the dems wanting them back. Regarding climate change, I reserve the right to form my own opinion on this matter.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by hardcorps

Of course, global warming did not start the fires, but it made them worse, and allowed them to become these destructive, life-taking infernos that we've seen the past couple of years. The temperatures have been hotter and the humidity has been lower than I or anyone else living here can ever remember. Last summer the temperature in my neighborhood actually peaked at 117 degrees. I've been living in the San Fernando Valley for decades now, and I've never seen the temperature get that high.

But we're getting off point. The Democrats did not "steal" this last election in California, and this "ballot harvesting" contention is beyond ridiculous. Like I said, if we were talking about Texas, the results of this last election would certainly be an unexplained anomaly, but not in California, not in 2018. Accept the fact that California has simply been pushed by the current regime in Washington into becoming a solidly blue state. And we've also grown to become the world's fifth largest economy, so we must be doing something right, despite all the years with Jerry Brown at the helm.

I’ll take your word that your neighborhood has been hotter and drier than you remember - mine has been wetter and more humid. To suggest that global warming made the fires worse is pure speculation. Many, many factual circumstances can contribute to the speed and devastation wrought by wildfire.

Moreover, it was not my contention that the Democrats illegally harvested ballots in CA. They apparently legally harvested more than the Republicans. But, doesn’t the notion of “harvesting” votes make you uncomfortable? Additionally, the Dems do enjoy a pretty poor record of credibility regarding election shenanigans. For a recent example one need only look to 2018 Broward and Palm Beach County Florida. And, look at Hillary rigging the system against Sanders in the 2016 Dem primary. Let’s face it, the Dems seem to find more ballots after the polls close than a baby finds nipples in a topless bar.

It is, however, ultimately my contention that voting for policies embraced by today’s Democrats is largely a harmful exercise. It is also undeniable that the positives (enjoyed by the state of California) which I’ve enumerated earlier have contributed to California’s economic growth despite (not because of) it’s high tax and spend policies. Those same economic and social policies result in unfunded liabilities that are not sustainable. The piper will have to be paid - and the blue wave will not save you.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by hardcorps

Of course, global warming did not start the fires, but it made them worse, and allowed them to become these destructive, life-taking infernos that we've seen the past couple of years. The temperatures have been hotter and the humidity has been lower than I or anyone else living here can ever remember. Last summer the temperature in my neighborhood actually peaked at 117 degrees. I've been living in the San Fernando Valley for decades now, and I've never seen the temperature get that high.

Made them worse? Wrong! No, that is only a talking point of the liberal elite that want to tax the air you breath and the footprint of your life. Storms are not worse than the storms before only that more humans are impacted by the current storms unlike the ones before. Hurricanes are not more destructive they just have more to destroy, same with fires, floods and tornados.

The earth has been warming up since the last ice age - actually before that. It will continue to do that until the next ice age or it’s destruction whichever occurs first. It didn’t start out inhabitable it likely won’t end supporting life.

[hardcorps]

Originally Posted by tonyz

I’ll take your word that your neighborhood has been hotter and drier than you remember - mine has been wetter and more humid.

the Dems seem to find more ballots after the polls close than a baby finds nipples in a topless bar.

I love that line about the baby in a topless bar.

If your neighborhood has been "wetter and more humid," what do you attribute that to? Could it possibly be human-induced climate change? And what state do you live in? Probably not California, right? I personally haven't experienced searing heat and the lack of humidity like this since the last time I visited the Negev Desert.

[hardcorps]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Made them worse? Wrong! No, that is only a talking point of the liberal elite

Sure, and also a few thousand scientists all over the globe, who've actually done research, taken measurements, made computer models, etc. And yes, high temperatures and low humidity do make a forest fire burn hotter and faster. But then, as was explained to us recently by a certain member of the Washington DC "elite." we Californians have been neglectful about "raking" our forest floors, so that probably explains why all those people died in Pleasure... Oops, I mean "Paradise."

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by hardcorps

I love that line about the baby in a topless bar.

If your neighborhood has been "wetter and more humid," what do you attribute that to?

Natural fluctuations in temperature between the ocean and atmosphere.

No, I don’t reside in California (and probably never will) but I acknowledge its natural beauty and economic success despite some truly questionable tax and spend and other public policy decisions. But, hey, that’s for the citizens of California to deal with. What does concern me is the apparant denial of unsustainable unfunded liabilities - and the relatively recent notion of things being “too big to fail.”

If California and Californians stand or fall based solely on their own fiscal strength - no problem. And, although the recent wave is blue...enjoy it because when the piper must be paid...you will see red. The red of a sea of debt.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by hardcorps

Sure, and also a few thousand scientists all over the globe, who've actually done research, taken measurements, made computer models, etc. And yes, high temperatures and low humidity do make a forest fire burn hotter and faster. But then, as was explained to us recently by a certain member of the Washington DC "elite." we Californians have been neglectful about "raking" our forest floors, so that probably explains why all those people died in Pleasure... Oops, I mean "Paradise."

Only recording and reporting what is actually happening...not a scientific breakthrough that “man” is responsible for the ever present changes that have been happening for tens of thousands of years. At best with carbon dating the industrial revolution of the last 100 years have had a negligible impact on the global warming effect. In the same time frame population has quadrupled worldwide through modern improvements in medicine and life mortality.

Blaming man for earthquakes, tsunamis, forest fires, tornados, hurricanes and floods, is like blaming someone for farting in a public restaurant.

Do you know what existed 100 years ago at the base of Mt. Shasta? A few hundred hearty souls busy looking for gold and a few thousand people cutting the forests and burning off the scrap and waste wood that wasn’t useful for anything else. In fact up until twenty to thirty years ago logging companies and forest management kept natural and man made fire breaks open and responsible with adequate road networks to combat fires from nature and the occasional manmade ones. That has all but been abandoned because on liberal tree huggers and using state funds for forest management to pay for social services and education.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by hardcorps

“If you were running for dogcatcher in Orange County — or in a lot of places in California — and you had an ‘R’ next to your name on the ballot, you lost.”

Thanks; good example of the tantrum phenomenon I mentioned.

Is there climate change? You bet; over cycles that span 1000's of years, some even less. (Hell, even the wheat belt had a blizzard in July 160 years ago.) When that discussion is willing to incorporate the long - and demonstrated - occurence of the cyclic nature of Earth's environment they might get my attention. Meanwhile, for the flicker of a millisecond that is called a lifetime, make more firebreaks and brush-out the understory. It helps, really. It might not be as aesthetically pleasing to some, but it doesn't explode like a JDAM either.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by hardcorps

Sure, and also a few thousand scientists all over the globe, who've actually done research, taken measurements, made computer models, etc.

Exactly how many of them are climate scientists without the need for government funding?

My Father-in-Law was a scientist at the Hughes Research Lab in Malibu. Had he joined the "consensus" he would have been included in that number. He didn't because he knew NOTHING about either the climate, or more importantly, astrophysics and the MAJOR influence of our star, Sol, or as you may know it, the Sun, has on the climate cycles.

Tell me movie guy, what, and who, gave birth to Godzilla? The answer to that is when the left learned that movies for entertainment could also be used for not only propaganda but instilling fear in the populace. And later, "brainwashing" the people.

And, Marine, I had a nodding acquaintance with Ron Kovic, 3/7/1st Marine Div. He lived in Redondo and I lived in Hermosa. I saw him quite often at Good Stuff. Boy did he have an entourage after Born on the 4th of July, but they drifted off after the film left the theaters. He moved from front-and-center to a little table outside the extended indoor seating area. I always nodded to him when he showed up and said "hi, how ya doing" as I walked to the restroom. It was sad, but I really had nothing to say to start a conversation with him.

[WarriorDiplomat]

Originally Posted by hardcorps

Sure, and also a few thousand scientists all over the globe, who've actually done research, taken measurements, made computer models, etc. And yes, high temperatures and low humidity do make a forest fire burn hotter and faster. But then, as was explained to us recently by a certain member of the Washington DC "elite." we Californians have been neglectful about "raking" our forest floors, so that probably explains why all those people died in Pleasure... Oops, I mean "Paradise."

Lies of the left

2 things

1-no real scientist worth listening too believes the hypothesis they think is infallible and not open to falsehoods and reversals

2-If the science is true why don't scientist agree especially the ones not funded by a liberal left institutions?


https://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

Periods of Earth warming and cooling occur in cycles. This is well understood, as is the fact that small-scale cycles of about 40 years exist within larger-scale cycles of 400 years, which in turn exist inside still larger scale cycles of 20,000 years, and so on.

Earth's climate was in a cool period from A.D. 1400 to about A.D. 1860, dubbed the "Little Ice Age." This period was characterized by harsh winters, shorter growing seasons, and a drier climate. The decline in global temperatures was a modest 1/2° C, but the effects of this global cooling cycle were more pronounced in the higher latitudes. The Little Ice Age has been blamed for a host of human suffering including crop failures like the "Irish Potato Famine" and the demise of the medieval Viking colonies in Greenland.
Today we enjoy global temperatures which have warmed back to levels of the so called "Medieval Warm Period," which existed from approximately A.D. 1000 to A.D. 1350.

Major Causes of Global Temperature Shifts


(1) Astronomical Causes
11 year and 206 year cycles: Cycles of solar variability ( sunspot activity )
21,000 year cycle: Earth's combined tilt and elliptical orbit around the Sun ( precession of the equinoxes )
41,000 year cycle: Cycle of the +/- 1.5° wobble in Earth's orbit ( tilt )
100,000 year cycle: Variations in the shape of Earth's elliptical orbit ( cycle of eccentricity )

(2) Atmospheric Causes
Heat retention: Due to atmospheric gases, mostly gaseous water vapor (not droplets), also carbon dioxide, methane, and a few other miscellaneous gases-- the "greenhouse effect"
Solar reflectivity: Due to white clouds, volcanic dust, polar ice caps

(3) Tectonic Causes
Landmass distribution: Shifting continents (continental drift) causing changes in circulatory patterns of ocean currents. It seems that whenever there is a large land mass at one of the Earth's poles, either the north pole or south pole, there are ice ages.
Undersea ridge activity: "Sea floor spreading" (associated with continental drift) causing variations in ocean displacement.

Compiled by R.S. Bradley and J.A. Eddy based on J.T. Houghton et al., Climate Change: The IPCC Assessment, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 1990 and published in EarthQuest, vo. 1, 1991. Courtesy of Thomas Crowley, Remembrance of Things Past: Greenhouse Lessons from the Geologic Record

1. The idea that man-made pollution is responsible for global warming is not supported by historical fact. The period known as the Holocene Maximum is a good example-- so-named because it was the hottest period in human history. The interesting thing is this period occurred approximately 7500 to 4000 years B.P. (before present)-- long before humans invented industrial pollution.

2. CO2 in our atmosphere has been increasing steadily for the last 18,000 years-- long before humans invented smokestacks ( Figure 1). Unless you count campfires and intestinal gas, man played no role in the pre-industrial increases.
As illustrated in this chart of Ice Core data from the Soviet Station Vostok in Antarctica, CO2 concentrations in earth's atmosphere move with temperature. Both temperatures and CO2 have been on the increase for 18,000 years. Interestingly, CO2 lags an average of about 800 years behind the temperature changes-- confirming that CO2 is not a primary driver of the temperature changes (9).
Incidentally, earth's temperature and CO2 levels today have reached levels similar to a previous interglacial cycle of 120,000 - 140,000 years ago. From beginning to end this cycle lasted about 20,000 years. This is known as the Eemian Interglacial Period and the earth returned to a full-fledged ice age immediately afterward.

3. Total human contributions to greenhouse gases account for only about 0.28% of the "greenhouse effect" (Figure 2). Anthropogenic (man-made) carbon dioxide (CO2) comprises about 0.117% of this total, and man-made sources of other gases ( methane, nitrous oxide (NOX), other misc. gases) contributes another 0.163% .
Approximately 99.72% of the "greenhouse effect" is due to natural causes -- mostly water vapor and traces of other gases, which we can do nothing at all about. Eliminating human activity altogether would have little impact on climate change.

4. If global warming is caused by CO2 in the atmosphere then does CO2 also cause increased sun activity too?
This chart adapted after Nigel Calder (6) illustrates that variations in sun activity are generally proportional to both variations in atmospheric CO2 and atmospheric temperature (Figure 3).
Put another way, rising Earth temperatures and increasing CO2 may be "effects" and our own sun the "cause".

FUN FACTS about CARBON DIOXIDE
Of the 186 billion tons of carbon from CO2 that enter earth's atmosphere each year from all sources, only 6 billion tons are from human activity. Approximately 90 billion tons come from biologic activity in earth's oceans and another 90 billion tons from such sources as volcanoes and decaying land plants.
At 380 parts per million CO2 is a minor constituent of earth's atmosphere-- less than 4/100ths of 1% of all gases present. Compared to former geologic times, earth's current atmosphere is CO2- impoverished.
CO2 is odorless, colorless, and tasteless. Plants absorb CO2 and emit oxygen as a waste product. Humans and animals breathe oxygen and emit CO2 as a waste product. Carbon dioxide is a nutrient, not a pollutant, and all life-- plants and animals alike-- benefit from more of it. All life on earth is carbon-based and CO2 is an essential ingredient. When plant-growers want to stimulate plant growth, they introduce more carbon dioxide.
CO2 that goes into the atmosphere does not stay there but is continually recycled by terrestrial plant life and earth's oceans-- the great retirement home for most terrestrial carbon dioxide.

If we are in a global warming crisis today, even the most aggressive and costly proposals for limiting industrial carbon dioxide emissions would have a negligible effect on global climate!




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