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Old 12-05-2004, 10:02   #16
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Okay, not to hijack NDD's thread, but I am having a few thoughts about this myself.

I would not just limit it to stuff for emergency med treatment, but things you use regularly every day and would normally have on your belt, etc. Also enough stuff to make it home if you had no recourse but to skedaddle.

Frankly, in a broad sense, it is a first line item, if you have it on your belt, all of the time.

I am looking at something about the size of an Eagle belly pack I have which is not too intrusive.

Some items, like those you would normally have on your belt, for quick, handy availability, need an external access, so you are not having to dig for them.

So far, I can see a list like this as a baseline for me.

Spare Mag (external)
Surefire L-1 (external)
Leatherman Charge XTi (external)
Cell Phone (external)
Digi Cam
Lighter
Signal mirror (small) or compass with mirror
Signal scarf
Cravat
Field dressing
Med Tape
Betadine
Percocets, Morphine syrettes, other meds as needed
Ziploc (may want Ascherman, if space permits and is desired)
10' 550 cord
ZipTies
Short piece of 100mph tape, rolled flat
Couple of short sections of insulated wire with alligator clipped ends
Dental Floss
Docs pouch with passport, cash, credit card, JOG map section, 3"x5"s, Sharpie

Maybe in addition to the external access, have the interior subdivided into a couple of compartments to separate the camera from the meds, from the survival gear.

Another possibility is to have the med section Velcro closured so that it does not take two functional hands and fine motor skills to open.

Thoughts?

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Old 12-05-2004, 10:31   #17
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Opinions on the Maxpedition Fatboy? I am considering getting one. Not too sure about the whole "man-purse" thing, though.
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Old 12-05-2004, 11:02   #18
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Folks lets step back a few & reassess the original notion behind this thread.

looking for a kit for short duration, belt packed, non-obtrusive blah blah.

This is an interesting conundrum, pack enough yet be unobtrusive, light enough not to be ditched.

NDD mentioned a signal mirror and a Wetsu kit, so a dimensionally this kit has to be no bigger than an altoids tin, no biger than 1 inch more on all directions.

FWIW, my SKP was designed to hold the contents of an RAF Mk.3 Aircrew kit plus some additional kit.

Reaper, I'll look at your list as a baseline to see if it can fit (theoretically) into the EGL SKP.



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Old 12-05-2004, 11:10   #19
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Old 12-05-2004, 11:20   #20
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Survival Kit Pouch, on geardo's utility gear page.

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Old 12-05-2004, 11:27   #21
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The little one? Got more pics egg? Maybe of the inside?
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Old 12-05-2004, 11:32   #22
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Yes, I stole the pic.
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Old 12-05-2004, 13:29   #23
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Maybe internal zippered or velcro dividers so when you go for a your Signal mirror on the run your WETSU doesn't fall out.
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Old 12-05-2004, 18:50   #24
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The size of the SKP looks about right...
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Old 12-05-2004, 23:18   #25
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suffice it to say, the SKP is designed with a slot pocket in the lid assembly to hold the 2 x 3 signal mirror, thus the interior is free for additional gear.

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Old 12-05-2004, 23:46   #26
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Sounds like it might be the ticket. Awaiting the results of your Reaper test.

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Old 12-06-2004, 07:54   #27
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NDD mentioned a signal mirror and a Wetsu kit, so a dimensionally this kit has to be no bigger than an altoids tin, no biger than 1 inch more on all directions.



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Actually, he said " Pocket or WETSU-sized kit. A signal mirror (a real one). Med stuff to treat maybe two GSW."

IIRC, You cannot put enough stuff in an Altoids tin to treat ONE GSW, unless it is superficial. By the time you get a couple of compressed bandages in there and nothing else, it busts that size constraint.

NDD, you want to list specifically what you would carry for a couple of GSWs (minus IVs)?

I agree that smaller is better, and more likely to be worn all of the time, but a bandaid, an aspirin, and a note telling you to suck it up isn't going to be very helpful either.

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Old 12-15-2004, 14:07   #28
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Well, I was thinking a couple of good old Army field dressings and a cravat or two.

I would like to have some quick clot, but in a smaller container.

Swatsurgeon's modified Cook Kit

A tourniquet, although the cravat can do double duty.

A blade or two.

One pair of forceps.

Tape

The packaging on the Israeli dressing is too big.

I might be leaving something out, but I think this should about do it. Others feel free to chime in. remember, the idea is stay alive until we can get to the aid bag.
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Old 12-15-2004, 14:10   #29
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If I was still a Team Medic, I would give serious consideration to making one of the modified cammie pockets a F/A pocket. Same on everyone with the same contents.
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Old 12-15-2004, 14:25   #30
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I think what I'm going to do is pack the SWP from HSGI and take it out to the site and wear it for a couple of days with the rest of the kit. Just to see how it works. All of this stuff will fit in it easily.
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