11-22-2015, 09:49
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Can Support get Secondary MOS?
Good morning, Gentlemen
My question is that as a 35P MI support soldier in a NGSF Group can I get an 11B secondary MOS and go to 11B AIT/OSUT?
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11-22-2015, 10:29
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Originally Posted by airbornepunk
Good morning, Gentlemen
My question is that as a 35P MI support soldier in a NGSF Group can I get an 11B secondary MOS and go to 11B AIT/OSUT?
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What is your angle? Why do you want to have an 11B MOS but not be an 11B?
It's probably up to the state, but 11B OSUT is a waste of time. If you want an 11B MOS, go to a two-week Infantryman Transition Course, but I bet the slots go to those already in an 11B slot and need to be get qualified.
http://www.army.mil/article/109120/N...ntry_Soldiers/
If you somehow go to OSUT, at least ask to be a 11C, that way you'll learn a little more than doing squad attack over and over.
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11-22-2015, 19:17
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As a 35P, you have more shit to learn on the state's dime than 11B skills, which should be taught by your attached ODA.
SF can fight...they cannot SIGINT, which is why you're there. Know your trade so you become an invaluable asset.
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11-22-2015, 21:09
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Yeah, exactly. That's why I'm curious if it is some thing else...like he wants to go to Ranger School and his state only sends 11s or 18s.
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11-22-2015, 21:32
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My reasoning was so that I had more of the infantry basic skills and background to be a better support soldier or so that who ever I was supporting would have more confidence in me. Also to bring that knowledge down to any subordinates and superiors alike within the 35 series field. But you are right, I have experienced going through drills and exercises with ODA members before deployments or JRTC, and that my focus should be on SIGINT.
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11-22-2015, 22:06
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Next time your SFG(A) does a SFBCC-S trainup go to it. It'll make you exactly as "high-speed" as you need to be.
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11-23-2015, 17:26
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Originally Posted by airbornepunk
My reasoning was so that I had more of the infantry basic skills and background to be a better support soldier or so that who ever I was supporting would have more confidence in me. Also to bring that knowledge down to any subordinates and superiors alike within the 35 series field. But you are right, I have experienced going through drills and exercises with ODA members before deployments or JRTC, and that my focus should be on SIGINT.
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I understand where you're coming from. I thought the same thing after I joined 20th Group and requested the 14-day 11B transition course but after a few ATs and drills with ODAs, I changed my plan. Remember that SF guys are the BEST instructors out there. If they can train indig to standards, they can train 35-series!
I was already an E-7, MOSQ'd with a ton of 35P experience but ZERO Army experience when I showed up at the unit...plus I was old. I didn't know squat about 7-8 so I would be very blunt with the ODA TS: I'm good at my job but I suck at yours and I'm very eager to learn. Most ODAs were very clear: attachments weren't there to be shooters but support their operations.
I'd recommend:
1) know your core SIGINT job, be the expert, and always train. If you know your shit, the Fox will want you around because you enable him;
2) know your commo gear and learn from the Echo (they have same gear just different fill);
3) know every weapon system to employ and clear malfunctions; learn and gain trust of the Bravo;
4) know CLS and learn S4 tips from the Delta;
5) know when to keep your mouth shut (95% of the time) and ALWAYS volunteer to help the team; the TS is watching.
The best thing about being attached to an ODA is earning a spot on the task org...the hardest thing is being able to STAY on the task org.
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12-20-2015, 07:43
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Originally Posted by airbornepunk
Good morning, Gentlemen
My question is that as a 35P MI support soldier in a NGSF Group can I get an 11B secondary MOS and go to 11B AIT/OSUT?
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Short answer: no.
I cannot say how active component controls training seats today, but I can tell you that in the Guard, NGB will not approve an ATRRS application unless it for an MOS, ASI or SQI listed on the paragraph/line that you occupy on the UMR.
If it's not required for your duty position or NCOES, it will not be approved, because NGB doesn't even get enough money to get itself 100% MOSQ'ed in any given year.
Your profile says you are currently in the Legion, if your plan is to transition to NGSF, you will find that you are better off in your MOS than guys who learned it in the Guard. You have had the opportunity to cross-train with active duty teams, and you will have the opportunity to cross-train with NGSF ODAs. That is more applicable to what you do than anything you would learn in 2 weeks or 13 weeks of 11B.
And what Lindy said.
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