Perpetual Crisis

[Box]

Originally Posted by cbtengr

If there is a "shutdown" then the dems will own it.

I wish that was true on a national scale - the problem is, politicians like Elijah Cummings, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and even republicans like Jeff Flake,
Susan Collins, and John McCain wont have any problem blaming such a shutdown on the President, instead of their own partisan failures.

Then of course, there is the legion of political shills on the news-ertainment circuit like George Snuffalupagus, Joe Scarborough, Joy Behar, Whoopsie Goldberg, Keith Olberman, Din Lemon, Christiane Amanpour - dear lord THAT list could go on forever...
...republicans wil be stuck holding the blame because the republican party is too stupid to outmaneuver their democratic counterparts and too cowardly to call them out in the public arena.


This is President Trumps fault because...
...well, just because

[HardRoad]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

A good case for term limits IMO!

Unless you also mandate that congressional staff can't work for consecutive congressmen, you make them even more powerful, since they become the only ones that know how things work on the hill, and they're far worse than the congressmen are.

To my mind, what we really need term limits for is the civil service. Maybe a max of five years working for the government, and then you have to go.

[ddoering]

Put the entire Legislative Branch in Gitmo and make them all plead their case that they deserve to live. At the same time dig into their finances (including extended family) and confiscate everything outside of their pay grade.

[Box]

The sad truth is that America is collectively getting the government she deserves. I always said that term limits begin at the ballot box - but as we all see - the ballot box is just for show.

Hell, there are plenty of people in VT that love Patrick Leahy - but if you were suggesting term limits for folks like Orrin Hatch or Chuck Grassley, those same voters be amenable to term limits. Conservatives that would like to see Ted Cruz have a long career probably wonder why the voters in San Fransisco keep putting Pelosi back in office.

Dumbed down - people are stupid. Being a good citizen requires a little effort and research and quite frankly most people seem to prefer their news served up with an appropriate hashtag. Its hard to tell where we really jumped the shark because each party has been pointing fingers at the other side for so long - nobody remembers which party "fired the first shot"

Hell, the Hatfields and McCoys kept better records than our politicians do.

[miclo18d]

Originally Posted by Box

The sad truth is that America is collectively getting the government she deserves. I always said that term limits begin at the ballot box - but as we all see - the ballot box is just for show.

Hell, there are plenty of people in VT that love Patrick Leahy - but if you were suggesting term limits for folks like Orrin Hatch or Chuck Grassley, those same voters be amenable to term limits. Conservatives that would like to see Ted Cruz have a long career probably wonder why the voters in San Fransisco keep putting Pelosi back in office.

Dumbed down - people are stupid. Being a good citizen requires a little effort and research and quite frankly most people seem to prefer their news served up with an appropriate hashtag. Its hard to tell where we really jumped the shark because each party has been pointing fingers at the other side for so long - nobody remembers which party "fired the first shot"

Hell, the Hatfields and McCoys kept better records than our politicians do.

Very good points. My dad always said, “Everyone hates politicians, except their own!” Similar to, “Everyone hates lawyers, until you need one.”

I have always believed in strict Constitutionalism with regards to term limits and the fact that we have a “revolution” every 2 years, but I’m afraid politicians have worked the system for SO long that they’ve found all the loop holes to feed themselves while telling us what we want to hear and, at the same time, getting NOTHING accomplished. I have changed to a term limits guy in the last few years.

Something I heard recently, “A person is smart, but people are dumb.” (Agent K, MIB was the only quote I could find for it). Basically, we are ruled by the Lowest Common Denominators in our society. In modern speak, Low IQ Voters.

[lindy]

Seems the Democrats are believing their own press/polling that everyone hates Trump (2016 all over again) but I don’t see how vulnerable Democrats in the flyover states can dodge blame on this one.

Hope this drama and the release of FISA memo (assuming it happens), turns the Senate into a filibuster proof majority in 2018.

Last night McConnell asked for unanimous consent from the Senate to let Republicans pass a funding bill with 50 votes instead of the 60 that the filibuster requires. It’s not at all certain that he has even 50 votes right now, but he was willing to take full responsibility for the bill’s passage via his caucus alone. If he found the votes he needed, the government would stay open without any Democratic assent to the DREAM-less bill. Nope, said Schumer. Won’t do it. He objected to the motion for unanimous consent. McConnell still needs 60, all but ensuring a shutdown.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/26107...hy-ben-shapiro

[Pete]

17th Amendment

Made Senators beholding to big donors instead of the state.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Last nights voting by certain RINOs in the Senate should help anyone with amnesia come November.

Also, I think all of this will backfire badly for the Democrats come election time.

Americans have shown recently that compassion has limits and a real job trumps feel good legislation. If the economy keeps growing this year like it has been, 2018 is going to be a boon for Republicans in the House and Senate.

The MSM’s constant barrage this past year will slowly have to recede and reverse direction or be irrelevant in a time where more and more people get their news from sources that can be verified in real-time.

[Box]

So, let's take a look at which voting senators decided that shutting down the government to protest the treatment of illegal aliens 'trumps' the sworn duty of serving American citizens.........


Arizona
Sen. Jeff Flake, Republican: NO
Sen. John McCain, Republican: Did not vote

California
Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Democrat: NO
Sen. Kamala Harris, Democrat: NO

Colorado
Sen. Michael Bennet, Democrat: NO

Connecticut
Sen. Richard Blumenthal, Democrat: NO
Sen. Christopher Murphy, Democrat: NO

Delaware
Sen. Thomas Carper, Democrat: NO
Sen. Chris Coons, Democrat: NO

Florida
Sen. Bill Nelson, Democrat: NO

Hawaii
Sen. Mazie Hirono, Democrat: NO
Sen. Brian Schatz, Democrat: NO

Illinois
Sen. Tammy Duckworth, Democrat: NO
Sen. Dick Durbin, Democrat: NO

Kentucky
Sen. Mitch McConnell, Republican: NO
Sen. Rand Paul, Republican: NO

Massachusetts
Sen. Edward Markey, Democrat: NO
Sen Elizabeth Warren, Democrat: NO

Maryland
Sen. Ben Cardin, Democrat: NO
Sen. Chris Van Hollen, Democrat: NO

Maine
Sen. Angus King, Independent: NO

Michigan
Sen. Gary Peters, Democrat: NO
Sen. Debby Stabenow, Democrat: NO

Minnesota
Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Democrat: NO
Sen. Tina Smith, Democrat: NO

Montana
Sen. Jon Tester, Democrat: NO

New Hampshire
Sen. Maggie Hassan, Democrat: NO
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, Democrat: NO

New Jersey
Sen. Cory Booker, Democrat: NO
Sen. Robert Menendez, Democrat: NO

New Mexico
Sen. Martin Heinrich, Democrat: NO
Sen. Tom Udall, Democrat: NO

Nevada
Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto, Democrat: NO

New York
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, Democrat: NO
Sen. Chuck Schumer, Democrat: NO

Ohio
Sen. Sherrod Brown, Democrat: NO

Oregon
Sen. Jeff Merkley, Democrat: NO
Sen. Ron Wyden, Democrat: NO

Pennsylvania
Sen. Bob Casey, Democrat: NO

Rhode Island
Sen. Jack Reed, Democrat: NO
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, Democrat: NO

South Carolina
Sen. Lindsey Graham, Republican NO

Utah
Sen. Mike Lee, Republican: NO

Virginia
Sen. Tim Kaine, Democrat: NO
Sen. Mark Warner, Democrat: NO

Vermont
Sen. Patrick Leahy, Democrat: NO
Sen. Bernie Sanders, Independent: NO

Washington
Sen. Maria Cantwell, Democrat: NO
Sen. Patty Murray, Democrat: NO

Wisconsin
Sen. Tammy Baldwin, Democrat: NO



Good people of conscience communicating their opinion that consideration of illegal aliens is more important than funding the US government.

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by HardRoad

Unless you also mandate that congressional staff can't work for consecutive congressmen, you make them even more powerful, since they become the only ones that know how things work on the hill, and they're far worse than the congressmen are.

To my mind, what we really need term limits for is the civil service. Maybe a max of five years working for the government, and then you have to go.

A very, very good point Brother!

And Pete, repeal of the 17th A is priority #1 IMO!

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Pete

17th Amendment

Made Senators beholding to big donors instead of the state.

Yep. Here in AZ, McCain would have been short-lived and you'd never have heard of Flake.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

I counted 6 republicans highlighted in yellow. Would that be enough to pass the budget? Yes I picked yellow for a reason. I would highlight the others in red if it were easier to read.

Looks similar to the list of suspect "establishment Republicans" that Fusion's Simpson thought was behind the initial research commissioned by the Free Beacon.

Yeah, forget my ticket outta town offer; how many C17's would it take to move 'em to Gitmo... or Venezuela?

[miclo18d]

No need to worry about the shut down!

Afghan leaders assure US: ‘Our government has been shut down for 16 years and we’re fine’
by Paul Sharpe

KABUL — A number of Afghanistan’s politicians, warlords, drug smugglers, and Thunder Dome administrators have signed an open letter assuring US Congressional leaders that everything will be just fine if the American government is forced to shut down, sources confirmed today.

“Our government has been shut down for over 16 years and we’ve been doing just fine,” wrote an eclectic mix of Afghan high society, which included a part-time member of Parliament and full-time member of the Taliban, a successful bombmaker, and a Korengal Valley timber smuggling entrepreneur.

“We want to assure you, our friends in America, government shut downs are not the end of the world,” the letter continues. “As your great emir Ronald Reagan once said, ‘the government that governs best is the one which governs least,’ and we have taken this to heart for nearly two decades.”

The letter was published hours before a potential U.S. government shut down, which would happen at midnight on Friday if Congress is unable to pass a budget bill. As the open letter makes clear, Afghanistan hasn’t had a budget, basic services, or an effective military since the U.S.-led invasion in 2001.

“Many in the US say the government shouldn’t have to handle simple problems like trash pick up, minor policing, and child care,” said Habib al-Bubari, a local farmer who runs a side-business supplying batteries, wiring, and collectible marbles to Helmand Province’s booming explosives business. “We couldn’t agree more!”

And Kabul’s lack of governance hasn’t stopped others from flourishing in the country. Some Afghans, for example, have set up community checkpoints on roads where fellow citizens pay them money and give them all their belongings in exchange for the service of not being raped and murdered.

“A government shut down isn’t such a bad thing,” said Afghan President/Kabul Mayor Ashraf Ghani. “But I do hope that Congress at least continues to fund Afghanistan’s flourishing democratic success story.”

BlondesOverBaghdad contributed reporting.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by miclo18d

No need to worry about the shut down!

LMFAO, FTW!

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by HardRoad

To my mind, what we really need term limits for is the civil service. Maybe a max of five years working for the government, and then you have to go.

So Border Patrol agents would only serve 5 years? Likewise other Federal LE? Federal Firefighters...5 years and your gone?

Civilian instructors in the schoolhouses across the DOD?

What do you believe to be the composition of the incompetent "civil servants"? (emphasis added)