Signs of Societal collapse

[WarriorDiplomat]

Originally Posted by Box

There was a Masters Thesis from NPS that discussed an modern day insurgency in the USA.
https://calhoun.nps.edu/handle/10945/5739

...it could NEVER happen to us - we are too 'connected'


AmIrite?

Our 2 year election cycles does release pressure as insurgencies gain momentum....and we can peacefully take over.....but anyone that thinks we are immune are not paying attention....the long game has been going hundreds of years.....the real traction was gained during civil rights....and today the radical outcasts have seized our education systems and have nearly seized the government. This is counterinsurgency and this brings me back to Roger Stones deep state map and those who are seemingly unaware that their is a higher concentration of LGB...T? within the CIA/FBI ranks and the methods being used are as pointed out straight out doctrinal....no doubt their are influencers advising others on organizational power and messaging...smells of some Gene Sharp methodology

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by WarriorDiplomat

Our 2 year election cycles does release pressure as insurgencies gain momentum....and we can peacefully take over.....but anyone that thinks we are immune are not paying attention....the long game has been going hundreds of years.....the real traction was gained during civil rights....and today the radical outcasts have seized our education systems and have nearly seized the government. This is counterinsurgency and this brings me back to Roger Stones deep state map and those who are seemingly unaware that their is a higher concentration of LGB...T? within the CIA/FBI ranks and the methods being used are as pointed out straight out doctrinal....no doubt their are influencers advising others on organizational power and messaging...smells of some Gene Sharp methodology

Just skimmed Sauers Thesis. Looks like an interesting read and worthy of a deep dive. Insurgency has been operating for the last 25 years at least. Formulating thoughts on countermeasures that can be employed. Will post some thoughts after I digest this. Eager to read the thoughts of others in this thread.

[7624U]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

Formulating thoughts on countermeasures that can be employed. Will post some thoughts after I digest this. Eager to read the thoughts of others in this thread.

Take a kid shooting or hunting..

encourage people to put down the phone and unplug from data saturation.
(think for them self's not what is trending)

for starters.

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by 7624U

Take a kid shooting or hunting..

encourage people to put down the phone and unplug from data saturation.
(think for them self's not what is trending)

for starters.

Excellent point and something we all can and should do!

[Trapper John]

“IMAGINING THE IMPOSSIBLE: INSURGENCY IN THE U.S.A.” by Eric F. Sauer Major, United States Army is a very interesting read and I highly recommend doing so. In my opinion, if Major Sauer were to write this today, eight years later, the title would not include “imagining the impossible” and would be more of a discussion of the nature and critical factors that characterize the current insurrection.

The factors that existed at the time this was written [2011] were largely mitigated by the election of Donald Trump in 2016. With that thought in mind, Sauer’s thesis can be viewed as a treatise on the societal consequences of the 2016 election.

IMHO, we are engaged in a culture war/ideological war with the dominant modality being that as described and promoted by the likes of Gene Sharp. Unfortunately the insurgents have a 75 year head start on the rest of us and have already co-opted academia including primary secondary and higher educational institutions, not to mention the media, federal bureaucracy, and judiciary.

The election of Donald Trump has at least shaped the battlefield in a manner such that we can fight back.

So my question to all of you is what are the critical factors and critical points that we need to focus on in order to preserve our liberty?

[WarriorDiplomat]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

“IMAGINING THE IMPOSSIBLE: INSURGENCY IN THE U.S.A.” by Eric F. Sauer Major, United States Army is a very interesting read and I highly recommend doing so. In my opinion, if Major Sauer were to write this today, eight years later, the title would not include “imagining the impossible” and would be more of a discussion of the nature and critical factors that characterize the current insurrection.

The factors that existed at the time this was written [2011] were largely mitigated by the election of Donald Trump in 2016. With that thought in mind, Sauer’s thesis can be viewed as a treatise on the societal consequences of the 2016 election.

IMHO, we are engaged in a culture war/ideological war with the dominant modality being that as described and promoted by the likes of Gene Sharp. Unfortunately the insurgents have a 75 year head start on the rest of us and have already co-opted academia including primary secondary and higher educational institutions, not to mention the media, federal bureaucracy, and judiciary.

The election of Donald Trump has at least shaped the battlefield in a manner such that we can fight back.

So my question to all of you is what are the critical factors and critical points that we need to focus on in order to preserve our liberty?

Reclaim the public education system from radicals and eliminate tenure and the teachers union...if we do not we are lost by the next generation whom will be the LEO's, military etc....I argue that information nd ideology has become the new education

Make law that governs news as news and partisan opinion networks must identify its agenda...no infringement on free speech...also legal recourse and punishment for a news network to publish partial truths out of context lying to the public masquerading as fact followed by partisan opinion should be punishable and considered a call to actio and not free speech

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by WarriorDiplomat

Reclaim the public education system from radicals and eliminate tenure and the teachers union...if we do not we are lost by the next generation whom will be the LEO's, military etc....I argue that information nd ideology has become the new education

Make law that governs news as news and partisan opinion networks must identify its agenda...no infringement on free speech...also legal recourse and punishment for a news network to publish partial truths out of context lying to the public masquerading as fact followed by partisan opinion should be punishable and considered a call to actio and not free speech

Well, I think you just handed ammunition to the insurgents.

As a rule of thumb, any action that requires construction of new law probably should be rethought especially if it limits the liberty of any group. Let's focus our efforts on dismantling the infrastructure that supports the insurgents. Congressional term limits and repeal of the 17th Amendment would be two actionable items toward that end IMO.

[mark46th]

The most important thing Trump has done is ensuring the Supreme Court has remained conservative. It is imperative that we vote Trump in as President again in 2020. He will be nominating at least one, maybe two more Supreme Court justices.

[Trapper John]

The most important action is the prosecution of senior DOJ/FBI officials for their abuse of power. Sending these people to jail for their criminal acts will send a very important message to the other insurgents. IMO their actions constitute the single greatest threat to our Republic since the Civil War!

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by mark46th

The most important thing Trump has done is ensuring the Supreme Court has remained conservative. It is imperative that we vote Trump in as President again in 2020. He will be nominating at least one, maybe two more Supreme Court justices.

^^^this^^^as well as the lower federal courts and appeals courts. The balance of power in the courts shifted left far too much over the years. Also, the Ninth Circuit jurisdiction needs to be broken up and redefined or the creation of yet another Circuit Court of Appeals established to more align with the population. If the Supreme Court has to decide every small detail of our lives and involve itself in States matters as much as it has been lately then perhaps abolishing the lower courts altogether is a step forward.

It would also be good for the country to clean house and abolish unnecessary, duplicat, and unenforceable laws on the books and streamline the USC to bring it inline with not only the 21 century but to simplify its Constitutional bearing. There have become too many knee jerk restrictive laws decided by “opinion” and “feel good politics” and not “facts” that are unconstitutional on face value.

We are either a Constitutional Republic or we are not. Popular opinion about the definition of “democracy” and democratic principles have nothing whatsoever to do with the Democratic or Republican parties and if your civics class failed to teach that then you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

[WarriorDiplomat]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

Well, I think you just handed ammunition to the insurgents.

As a rule of thumb, any action that requires construction of new law probably should be rethought especially if it limits the liberty of any group. Let's focus our efforts on dismantling the infrastructure that supports the insurgents. Congressional term limits and repeal of the 17th Amendment would be two actionable items toward that end IMO.

There are already laws in the books that do that libel, slander, calls to action and hate speech is non its way all from the insurgents

But since that has not worked then as someone else stated clean out the DOJ it should be punishable to operate under an ideology other than the law and promote partisanship

We cannot rule out the impact the PSYOP's misinformation and deception of the left is having

[TOMAHAWK9521]

Well, the commie sh*t bags are crawling out from under the rocks, throwing off the masks and telegraphing their agenda. I wonder if they can fathom the level trouble they're screaming for. Historically, teachers are usually the first casualties of whatever twisted branch of the socialist tree that falls on a country. I hate to say it but it could still happen but not for the reasons one might expect. The tree might find itself not only get hacked down to a stump, but the roots ripped up from the ground as well and the whole thing burned to ash.

The country would be better off, though.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ty-organizing/

[7624U]

Originally Posted by TOMAHAWK9521

The tree might find itself not only get hacked down to a stump, but the roots ripped up from the ground as well and the whole thing burned to ash.

IMO the Socialist fruits have ripened and are bending the tree branches to the ground, The problem is here in America no one wants to pick and eat this fruit so they will fall on the ground and disappear as fertilizer just like the Tea Party did.

Congress could hack it down to the stump but they need the tree so they can sit in it or climb to the top to throw things at all of us. (picture ape at the zoo throwing crap at bystanders)

[Hand]

Originally Posted by WarriorDiplomat

Make law that governs news as news and partisan opinion networks must identify its agenda...no infringement on free speech...also legal recourse and punishment for a news network to publish partial truths out of context lying to the public masquerading as fact followed by partisan opinion should be punishable and considered a call to actio and not free speech

Alternatively, we can teach our children that the only difference between a newspaper and a trashy tabloid is the target audience.

[WarriorDiplomat]

Originally Posted by Hand

Alternatively, we can teach our children that the only difference between a newspaper and a trashy tabloid is the target audience.

I think most Patriots do that now....be your child's hero and someone to respect and they will follow your politics out of trust and eventually out of understanding

The issue with children these days is the influence of the education system and the manipulation of educators through means such as peer pressure, psychology and well crafted curriculum that is difficult to compete with....we can teach our children but it takes effort to show them through example what is right and wrong...the education system, Entertainment is slanted towards liberal left in every visual, subliminal, storyline way as possible. modern pop music is an onslaught on decent values....the crazy radical activist hippies of the 60's that were social misfits have gained control of nearly every facet of societies structure....the radicals are the major influencers of our children. They are crazy but they understand how to make it happen...they have targeted the youth and lobby for more and more legitimacy of a developing child's opinion....they also know the science behind brain development and when a young person generally gains full control of their executive function of the brain in their mid twenties when the impulsive over reactions start to fade and maturity sets in.....that precious time between 18-25 the age of irrationality is who they are co opting to get their message and agendas pushed through.....before they are wise enough to grasp the impact it will have on them