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Old 09-27-2013, 19:33   #46
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Effing savages.The time to go Biblical on them may soon be upon us...

God resolves to destroy the city of Sodom for the sins of its people. Abraham protests that it is not just "to slay the righteous with the wicked," and asks if the whole city can be spared if even ten righteous men are found there. God replies: "For the sake of ten I will not destroy it."

I think we are good to go.

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Old 09-28-2013, 00:33   #47
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History on Repeat?

As anti-Muslim feelings are pretty high at present, I began thinking that history is beginning to repeat itself. An enemy from the East has emerged again. An unprovoked and sudden attack on America took place. The enemy has no regard for the normal rules of war or the sacred nature of life, either his own or his enemies.
The attacks on Pearl Harbor and on the Twin Towers are similar. No declaration of war, no warning and no respect for civilian lives. The Kamikazi suicide pilots are again similar to the suicide bombers of Islam today. They have no respect for life. Their own or anyone else's. As the Americans found in WW2, there is no way you can deal with an enemy such as this. The Japanese were happy to die for their Emperor, and were happy to take anyone with them. Todays Muslim Jihadist feels the same way about dying for Allah.
What to do?
The Americans came to the conclusion in 1945, that the only way to deal with such an enemy is to show them what total annihilation looks like. Two atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki stopped the war in its tracks. What will it take to tame the Muslims?
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Old 09-28-2013, 02:48   #48
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Effing savages.The time to go Biblical on them may soon be upon us...

God resolves to destroy the city of Sodom for the sins of its people. Abraham protests that it is not just "to slay the righteous with the wicked," and asks if the whole city can be spared if even ten righteous men are found there. God replies: "For the sake of ten I will not destroy it."

I think we are good to go.
Are you talking about Washington DC or San Francisco? Either or both are GTG as far as I'm concerned...
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Old 09-28-2013, 21:18   #49
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Works for me. Maybe God has package deals...
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Old 10-05-2013, 14:44   #50
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Kenya military names Westgate mall attack suspects
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5 October 2013 Last updated at 13:26 ET

Four men believed to have been involved in the deadly shopping centre attack in Nairobi last month have been named. The Kenyan military said Abu Baara al-Sudani, Omar Nabhan, Khattab al-Kene and Umayr - shown in new CCTV footage - were killed during the standoff.

Kenya said previously 10-15 militants had been involved, but the police chief says the figure may now be four to six.

The al-Shabab group said it carried out the attack on the Westgate mall on 21 September, leaving at least 67 dead.The al-Qaeda-linked group said the attack was in retaliation for Kenya's military involvement in Somalia.

The naming of the men came as CCTV footage was aired showing four attackers calmly walking through a room in the mall holding machine guns. Kenya Defence Forces spokesman Maj Emmanuel Chirchir told Reuters news agency: "I confirm these were the terrorists; they all died in the raid."

Reuters quoted Maj Chirchir as saying that al-Sudani was an "experienced fighter" from Sudan and was believed to be the leader of the group. Maj Chirchir said Nabhan was a Kenyan of Arab origin and al-Kene a Somali linked to al-Shabab. Further details about Umayr had not yet been verified, he said.

A Kenyan security analyst told the BBC that at least two of the names would be familiar to the Kenyan intelligence services. Kenyan police chief David Kimaiyo told Kenya's KTN television station it was now believed that four to six gunmen had carried out the attack, not 10 to 15. "None of them managed to escape from the building after the attack," he said.

Mr Kimaiyo also said that wanted British woman Samantha Lewthwaite had not been involved. "We have also established that she was not part of the attackers in the building. There was no woman," he said. Ms Lewthwaite, 29, is the widow of one of the four suicide bombers who attacked London on 7 July 2005.

Kenya had earlier said five attackers were killed in the security operation and that nine people were in custody.

The BBC's Gabriel Gatehouse in Nairobi says the latest CCTV footage is from a limited part of the complex and, with some eyewitnesses reporting a two-pronged attack, it is too early to say definitively how many gunmen were in the building.

In addition to the 67 people killed in the attack, a further 39 are still missing, according to the Kenyan Red Cross.

Al-Shabab is banned as a terrorist group by both the US and the UK and is believed to have between 7,000 and 9,000 fighters.

Its members are fighting to create an Islamic state in Somalia.

About 4,000 Kenyan troops were sent to Somalia in October 2011 to help pro-government forces end two decades of violence, with clan-based warlords and Islamist militants all battling for control of the country.

On Saturday, Islamist fighters in southern Somalia said Western forces had launched a night-time raid on one of their bases.

No-one has admitted the attack. US and French special forces have carried out raids in Somalia in recent years.

It is not clear whether the raid was linked to Westgate.

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Old 10-05-2013, 16:09   #51
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/wo...says.html?_r=0

NAIROBI, Kenya — A Navy SEAL team targeted a senior leader of the Shabab militant group in a raid on his seaside villa in the Somali town of Baraawe on Saturday, American officials said, in response to a deadly attack on a Nairobi shopping mall for which the group had claimed responsibility.

The SEAL team stealthily approached the beachfront house by sea, firing on the unidentified target in a predawn gunbattle that was the most significant raid by American troops on Somali soil since commandos killed Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, a Qaeda mastermind, near the same town four years ago.

The Shabab leader was believed to have been killed in the firefight, but the SEALS were forced to withdraw before that could be confirmed, a senior American official said. Such operations by American forces are rare because they carry a high risk, and indicate that the target was considered a high priority. Baraawe, a small port town south of Mogadishu, the Somali capital, is known as a gathering place for the Shabab’s foreign fighters.

“The Baraawe raid was planned a week and a half ago,” said an American security official, speaking on the condition of anonymity about a classified operation. “It was prompted by the Westgate attack,” he added, referring to the mall in Nairobi that was overrun by militants two weeks ago, leaving more than 60 dead.

Witnesses in the area described a firefight lasting over an hour, with helicopters called in for air support. A senior Somali government official who spoke on the condition of anonymity confirmed the raid, saying, “The attack was carried out by the American forces and the Somali government was pre-informed about the attack.”

A spokesman for the Shabab, which is based in Somalia, said that one of its fighters had been killed in an exchange of gunfire but that the group had beaten back the assault. American official initially reported that they had seized the Shabab leader, but later backed off of that account. The deadly assault on the Westgate shopping mall was a stark reminder of the power and reach of the Islamist group, which had a series of military setbacks in recent years and was widely viewed as weakened.

The F.B.I. sent dozens of agents to Nairobi after the shopping mall siege to help Kenyan authorities with the investigation. United States officials fear that the Shabab could attempt a similar attack on American soil, perhaps employing several of the group’s Somali-American recruits.

Another United States official said it was still unclear whether any Americans were involved in the Westgate mall episode, though there were growing indications that fewer attackers took part in the siege than the 10 to 15 militants the government had previously announced.

A spokesman for the Kenyan military said Saturday that it had identified four of the attackers from surveillance footage. Local news media reported their names as Abu Baara al-Sudani, Omar Nabhan, Khattab al-Kene and a man known only as Umayr. “I can confirm that those are the names of the terrorists,” said Maj. Emmanuel Chirchir, the spokesman.

The footage, broadcast on Kenyan television on Friday night, showed four of the attackers moving about the mall with cool nonchalance, no hint in their demeanor that they had stormed a shopping center and massacred dozens of people, much less that they feared an imminent counterassault from Kenyan security services.

One loitered in the grocery checkout aisle, talking on his cellphone. Another slouched in a storage room like a worker on break.

At least one of the four men, Mr. Nabhan, is Kenyan, and believed to be related to Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, the Qaeda mastermind killed four years ago near Baraawe.

The elder Mr. Nabhan was a suspect in the bombing of an Israeli hotel on the Kenyan coast in 2002 and the attacks on the American Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.

He was one of the most wanted Islamic militants in Africa when American commandos killed him in September 2009 in an audacious daytime attack. Four military helicopters shot at two trucks rumbling through the desert, killing six foreign fighters, including Mr. Nabhan, and three Somali members of the Shabab.

Mr. Nabhan was of Yemeni descent but was born in Mombasa, on Kenya’s coast. Kenyan news media reported that the younger Mr. Nabhan also came from Mombasa, and was among the Kenyans who traveled to Somalia to train and fight with the Shabab.

Matt Bryden, the former head of the United Nations Monitoring Group on Somalia and Eritrea, said the tactics used in the Westgate attack were similar to those used by the Shabab in a number of operations in Somalia this year. But he also said that local help was needed to pull off an attack on that scale, and that several of the men identified as taking part in the attack were connected to group’s Kenyan affiliate, known as Al Hijra.

“We should certainly expect Al Hijra and Al Shabab to try again,” Mr. Bryden said. “And we should expect them to have the capacity to do so.”

The raid on Saturday morning appeared to have been intended to blunt those capabilities. A witness in Baraawe said the house was known as a place where senior foreign commanders stayed, though he could not say whether they were there at the time of the attack.

The witness said 12 well-trained Shabab fighters scheduled for a mission abroad were staying there at the time of the assault. He confirmed that a Somali man was killed in the attack.

There was some confusion as to exactly what happened before sunrise on Saturday. Witnesses described the SEAL team using silencers in the initial attack, but a loud firefight afterward. Before confirmation that an American SEAL team was behind the attack, a Shabab spokesman said British and Turkish forces were involved, which both countries immediately denied.

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Old 10-05-2013, 16:16   #52
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Did they disband Delta Force. First Bin Laden, HALO jump into Africa to rescue the woman, Rescue Somalia hostage, Now this hit. Obama must love these guys.
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Old 10-05-2013, 16:23   #53
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No McRaven does and they love the media attention also. The boys do their job and just keep on going with no need for fan fare.
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The boys do their job and just keep on going with no need for fan fare.
Way it should be...
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Old 10-06-2013, 07:04   #55
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No McRaven does and they love the media attention also. The boys do their job and just keep on going with no need for fan fare.
But these are all high value targets and missions. If your not getting these missions your pretty much second string
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But these are all high value targets and missions. If your not getting these missions your pretty much second string
Maybe it's still the way it was. The only people aware of the mission are the guys doing it and the beneficiaries of the op.

(On the ones with a successful outcome, anyway.)
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Old 09-06-2014, 09:23   #57
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From the good news file...complete article at link.

U.S. confirms death of al Shabaab leader Godane in Somalia strike
BY DAVID ALEXANDER
WASHINGTON Fri Sep 5, 2014 7:57pm EDT

(Reuters) - The Pentagon confirmed on Friday that Ahmed Abdi Godane, a leader of the al Shabaab Islamist group, was killed in a U.S. airstrike in Somalia this week, calling it a "major symbolic and operational loss" for the al Qaeda-affiliated militants.

Since taking charge of al Shabaab in 2008, Godane had restyled the group as a global player in the al Qaeda network, carrying out bombings and suicide attacks in Somalia and elsewhere in the region, including the Sept. 21, 2013, attack on the Westgate shopping mall in Nairobi, Kenya, that killed 67 people.

Godane publicly claimed responsibility for the Westgate attack, saying it was revenge for Kenyan and Western involvement in Somalia and noting its proximity to the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

His death leaves a gap in al Shabaab's leadership and was seen as posing the biggest challenge to the group's unity since it emerged as a fighting force eight years ago.

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His death leaves a gap in al Shabaab's leadership and was seen as posing the biggest challenge to the group's unity since it emerged as a fighting force eight years ago.
Even cockroaches have a continuity of opns plan.

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As anti-Muslim feelings are pretty high at present, I began thinking that history is beginning to repeat itself. An enemy from the East has emerged again. An unprovoked and sudden attack on America took place. The enemy has no regard for the normal rules of war or the sacred nature of life, either his own or his enemies.
The attacks on Pearl Harbor and on the Twin Towers are similar. No declaration of war, no warning and no respect for civilian lives. The Kamikazi suicide pilots are again similar to the suicide bombers of Islam today. They have no respect for life. Their own or anyone else's. As the Americans found in WW2, there is no way you can deal with an enemy such as this. The Japanese were happy to die for their Emperor, and were happy to take anyone with them. Todays Muslim Jihadist feels the same way about dying for Allah.
What to do?
The Americans came to the conclusion in 1945, that the only way to deal with such an enemy is to show them what total annihilation looks like. Two atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki stopped the war in its tracks. What will it take to tame the Muslims?
I'm wondering if the rinse and repeat of islamic radicalism isn't as much a repeat of fanatical Japanese imperialism but a repeat analog of global communism.

I remember as a kid that a common opinion was that all communists were perfectly aligned and out to get us capitalists in a very aggressive and kinetic sense.

But as it turned out the communists often hated each other more than they hated us capitalists. They were not particularly well aligned/arrayed/synchronized against us(Tet, Pueblo/Walker, Blue House Raid example notwithstanding).

Even their successes in places like Rhodesia/Zimbabwe was a highly competitive, rather than a complementary communist effort in a 3 sided war that many thought was only 2 sided. Russia and China were each out to win at the other's expense.

Nixon going to China leveraged a seam/rift between the two biggest communist powers a few years beforehand.

I kinda see the same thing today.

Islam has a number of very substantial rifts(Shia/Sunni) as well as countless regional/local rifts(we are seeing a few now with ISIS).

Personally, I think every effort should be made to exploit those rifts and seams within Islam to encourage it to eat itself, but taking into account potentially malignant long term 2nd/3rd order effects that impact energy supply.

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Sadly, another comparison I see with "islam being the new communism" is the genuine threat represented by the non-kinetic UW slice of the Cold War where the highly toxic pollution from communist efforts to undermine the capitalist west seem to have festered.

To me it looks like 25 years since the Berlin Wall fell, the oversimplistic answer everyone seems to believe is that the "US/West won the Cold War".

I think a more realistic answer is that the US/West decisively won the biggest battle of the Cold War to date, but got dosed with some polonium.

Everyone seemed to focus on the temporary victory they thought was permanent, without bothering to check if we were wounded in the multi-decade long contact.

I'm not so much worried about the kinetic threat posed by islam as I am the non-kinetic UW "long game" secondary islamic infection magnified by the weakness coming from that dose of communist polonium.
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Even cockroaches have a continuity of opns plan...
Hey, why hijack this thread with talk of Hillary and the dimocrats?
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