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Old 06-01-2016, 21:13   #76
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Rehabing abandon buildings and reinvigorating a local economy sounds like a good idea....until you look at Europe.
Another example. Looks like this might be an American "national effort" by the Islamists.... sort of camps within the redoubt.

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MEGA MOSQUE Built In Secret In Struggling North Philly: “They never came around and asked anybody.”

WAKE UP AMERICA! Are Mosques going up all across America without approval from the community? Are our local governments selling us out? It would seem like it because we’re hearing of numerous efforts to purchase land and build mosques in several cities. Madison Heights and Farmington, Michigan are two such places. Pontiac, Michigan is another site where a Muslim group purchased a shuttered school and purchased numerous houses for a “special” price of $250.
The poor black communities are targeted and taken advantage of. The people know nothing and are suddenly flooded with Muslims and Mosques. If something doesn’t smell right, it probably isn’t right. Watch for this and push back on it because we’ve gone from a few mosques a decade ago to over 200 today.

JUST MORE than a mile north of Temple University, a 21,000-square-foot mosque is rising next to a struggling neighborhood in North Philadelphia.

The 56-foot-tall structure stands on a former factory lot, next to Amtrak’s main line that rolls through the neighborhood.

The mosque, on West Glenwood Avenue near 13th Street, will serve Philadelphia’s Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and its growing membership, said Bilal Salaam, its imam. It was designed by Olaya Studio, and was based on the White Minaret, an iconic symbol that represents the Ahmadiyya community in Qadian, India.

Ahmadiyya, one of the world’s largest organized Muslim communities in more than 200 countries, worships in Philadelphia at 5210 N. 10th St. The new structure on Glenwood Avenue will be the city’s largest mosque.
Salaam said the mosque is projected to open in September, and will serve 800 to 1,000 people.

But many community members nearby said they were unaware that any structure was being built until construction began.
“They should have talked to us,” said Bernice Rustin, 83, who lives on the 2900 block of Park Avenue. “I’ve lived here for 50 years, and they should have talked to the black community before doing this.”

“They never came around and asked anybody,” added Vanessa McCullough, 53, a resident of the 2900 block of 13th Street. “With the trash, traffic, parking and stuff, it’s going to be so congested.”

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Old 06-02-2016, 09:27   #77
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Another example. Looks like this might be an American "national effort" by the Islamists.... sort of camps within the redoubt.

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Ah who cares, no one, until the beheadings, IED's, burnings, torture, etc etc etc starts in Philly.

Everyone should have their own islamic terrorists! Gives me a warm and fuzzy knowing we didn't spend trillions and all the American security for nothing!

Progressive/socialists, leading the American Sheeple to their slaughter for two centuries.
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Old 06-28-2016, 08:07   #78
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Obama Afraid of AMERICANS

The author provides a plausible explanation for why Obama refuses the identify the enemy, fundamental Islam. He is more afraid of Americans than he is of Islamists.

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After the Orlando attack, Obama ranted that it did not matter what we called Islamic terrorism. “What exactly would using this label accomplish? What exactly would it change? Would it make ISIS less committed to trying to kill Americans? Would it bring in more allies? Is there a military strategy that is served by this? The answer is none of the above. Calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away. This is a political distraction.”

... One of the more shocking moments in Jeffrey Goldberg’s extended Atlantic write-up of Obama’s foreign policy came with his conversation with the Prime Minister of Australia. Obama, who has refused to recognize any connection between Islamic theology and violence, and made the hijab into a civil rights issue, told the Australian leader how he had seen Indonesia turn to “fundamentalist” Islam and noted, unfavorably, the large numbers of women now wearing hijabs as a sign of that fundamentalism.

Obama blamed the Saudis for pushing Wahhabism through imams and madrassas into Indonesia.

It wasn’t an original critique, but also not one that you hear much in Obama’s circles. When Obama reportedly tells world leaders that there will be “no comprehensive solution to Islamist terrorism until Islam reconciles itself to modernity” and undergoes reforms the way that Christianity did, it’s like suddenly having Khrushchev explain why Communism can’t work and will end up falling apart.

It’s shocking and revealing.

In moments like these we see that Obama knows that he’s lying...

Why is Obama willing to talk about Saudi support for terrorism to the Prime Minister of Australia, but not to Americans? Why does he only suggest reforming Islam to foreign leaders in private?

The official story is that it would “empower” Islamic terrorists, but that’s a nonsensical claim. ISIS doesn’t derive its legitimacy from whether we call it ISIS, ISIL or Daesh. Nor are Muslims going to determine the theological legitimacy of a Jihadist group based on whether we refer to it as Islamic.

... But Obama isn’t really afraid of offending Muslims. If he were, he wouldn’t have provided this little peek into his private meetings at all. Obama isn’t afraid of Muslims, terrorists or otherwise, he’s afraid of Americans.

Tell the truth and Americans might suddenly get the naughty idea that instead of waiting for Islam to “reform”, they ought to just deal with the problem at its source with a travel ban. They might decide that extra scrutiny for mosques really is warranted and that airport profiling would save everyone grief.

And, worst of all, they might realize that they have no reason to feel guilty about our foreign policy. If Islamic terrorism exists and is caused by Islam, then America isn’t and was never the problem.

That kind of thinking frightens Obama and the left far more than a hundred Orlando terror attacks...

... The real reason that our leaders won’t name the enemy is that they don’t like us and they don’t trust us. Running through their heads are nightmare scenarios like Brexit and Trump. They see their job as shepherding us away from our “worst impulses” toward a proper role within the global community.

They are quite capable of recognizing Islamic terrorism for what it is. They may not be terribly bright, but people in their positions have more than enough access to information for the conclusions to be inescapable. But they are determined not to allow Islamic terrorism to disrupt their larger plans for us.

It isn’t another 9/11 or 7/7 that worries them, but a resurgence of nationalism in response to it. That is why they will lie, mislead and even criminalize any dissent. Their response to every Islamic terrorist attack is to make us feel responsible, ashamed and helpless by transforming Muslims into the victims.

For these same reasons they will push mass Muslim migration no matter what the terror risks are. They will champion the hijab, even though they know it harms Muslim women. Why? Because these policies undermine our values and transform our countries. And that is their overriding agenda above all else.

That is what we are up against.

They know that they are lying about Islamic terrorism. It’s why Obama dismisses the subject as mere semantics. But it’s only one of many things that they are lying to us about. Obama lies to us about Islamic terrorism for the same reason that he lies to us about being able to keep your doctor.

He knows the truth, but the truth would interfere with the left’s larger plans to transform America.

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Old 09-23-2016, 11:32   #79
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There sure seem to be a lot of Muslims around the world that are following the wrong narrative, Mr. President.

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According to White House press secretary Josh Earnest, “When it comes to ISIL, we are in a fight—a narrative fight with them. A narrative battle.” Earnest said this the day after two separate bombings occurred in New York, and an ISIS-linked Muslim went on a stabbing spree in Minnesota. Obama’ spokesman later elaborated:

What is important in the context of political debate is to remember ISIL is trying to assert a narrative, that they represent the religion of Islam in a war against the west and in a war against the United States. That is mythology. That is falsehood. That is not true. That is bankrupt ideology they are trying to wrap in the cloak of Islam.

This, of course, is a strawman argument: the real question isn’t whether ISIS “represents” Islam, but whether ISIS is a byproduct of Islam. And this question can easily be answered by looking not to ISIS but Islam. One can point to Islamic doctrines that unequivocally justify ISIS behavior; one can point to the whole of Islamic history, nearly 14 centuries of ISIS precedents.

Or, if these two options are deemed too abstract, one can simply point to the fact that everyday Muslims all around the world are behaving just like ISIS...

...(C)onsider a Pew poll which found that, in 11 countries alone, at least 63 million and as many as 287 million Muslims support ISIS. Similarly, 81% of respondents to an Arabic language Al Jazeera poll supported the Islamic State.

Do all these hundreds of millions of Muslims support the Islamic State because they’ve been suckered into its “narrative”—or even more silly, because we have—or do they support ISIS because it reflects the same supremacist Islam that they know and practice, one that preaches hate and violence for all infidels, as America’s good friends and allies, the governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar—not ISIS—are on record proclaiming?

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Old 09-26-2016, 07:46   #80
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Have these 'top brass' found some backbone, or are they positioning themselves for a position within a Trump administration? Provided they don't get sacked by our first Muslim President.

It has been over 15 years since 9/11 and almost 1,400 years since the founding of Islam. I suppose this is a case of better late than never.

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Pentagon’s top brass explores Islamic ideology’s ties to terror

U.S. Special Operations Command has privately pressed the staff of the nation’s highest-ranking military officer to include in his upcoming National Military Strategy a discussion of the Sunni Muslim ideology underpinning the brutality of the Islamic State group and al Qaeda.

Thus, behind the scenes, the Pentagon’s top brass have entered a debate coursing through the presidential campaign: how to define an enemy the U.S. military has been fighting for 15 years.

The National Military Strategy, authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman, is one of the most important guidances issued to global combatant commanders. It prioritizes threats to the nation and how to blunt them.

The 2015 public version does not mention Islamic ideology. It lists terrorists under the ambiguous category of “violent extremist organizations” and singles out al Qaeda and the Islamic State group...

...Special Operations Command wants the National Military Strategy to specifically name Salafi jihadism as the doctrine that inspires violent Muslim extremists. Salafi jihadism is a branch within Sunni Islam. It is embraced by the Islamic State and used to justify its mass killings of nonbelievers, including Shiite Muslims, Sunnis and Kurds, as well as Christians.

People knowledgeable about the discussion told The Washington Times that SoCom has not been able to persuade Gen. Dunford’s staff to include Salafi jihadism in any strategy draft. It is unclear whether Gen. Dunford has been briefed on the proposals...

...There does not appear to be an effort to include the words “radical Islamic terrorism” in the strategy. But including a discussion of Salafi jihadism would tie acts of terrorism to Islamic ideology.

President Obama has fiercely rejected any connection between Islam the faith and al Qaeda, the Islamic State or any other Muslim terrorist organizations. He argues that they have corrupted the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad and the Koran. His administration refers to them as simply “extremists.”

The counterargument from many U.S. national security analysts and Muslim scholars is that mass killings are rooted in the Koran and other primary writings and preachings of credible Islamic scholars and imams. These teachings at some mosques and on social media encourage youths to become radical Islamists.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the ruthless Islamic State founder, is a cleric who studied at a seminary in Iraq. Al-Baghdadi has a Ph.D. in Koranic studies from Iraq’s Saddam University.

‘War of ideas’

If the cycle of global jihadism is to be broken, they say, U.S. officials must accurately assess the nature of the threat and its doctrines. If not, Gen. Dunford’s National Military Strategy is, in essence, directing commanders to ignore threat doctrine and relinquish the information battlefield to the enemy.

“If you look at threat doctrine from that perspective, it’s a much bigger problem because it’s not just the violent jihadists; it’s the nonviolent jihadists who support them,” said one person knowledgeable about the National Military Strategy. “Pretending there is no relationship between the violent jihadists and Islam isn’t going to win. We’re completely ignoring the war of ideas. We’re still in denial. We’re pretending the enemy doesn’t exist.”

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Old 09-26-2016, 11:25   #81
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Aw hell....guess I'm gonna need more ammo.
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Old 09-27-2016, 19:24   #82
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Aw hell....guess I'm gonna need more ammo.
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Old 09-27-2016, 19:36   #83
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If they are Ahmadis then it is no issue.
This sect/figh is spiritual and very non violent....they also have some other jurisprudence differences from the mainstream Sunni/Shia.

If all of Islam were Ahmadii we'd have no issue with Islam.

BTW, they are not considered Islamic by a vast number of mainstream Muslims and are killed by ISIS and persecuted by Sunni's just about everywhere.

Damn Kafr's...get your Mooslems straight....
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De-Radicalization of Islamic Jihadists a Failure

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...or deradicalize those leader figures and have them counter the violent jihad ideology i.e. Sayyid Imam in Egypt, Nasir Abbas/Ali Imron In Indonesia, and so on
The French have determined that their attempts at de-radicalization have been a complete and utter failure. I am not surprised.

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France admits its “deradicalization” program for jihadis has been a failure

“Deradicalization” doesn’t work: many such programs are based on the premise that the true teachings of Islam are peaceful, and so all that needs to be done is show the jihadis how they’re misunderstanding the Qur’an and overlooking its teachings of peace, and all will be well. But since the Qur’an and Sunnah are full of commands to make war against and subjugate unbelievers, the idea that jihadis can be “deradicalized” by reference to them is just a myth told to Infidel authorities to lull them into complacency.

“France’s De-radicalization Program Deemed a Failure,” by Patrick Dunleavy, IPT News, October 28, 2016 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

The latest attempt by Western democracies to deal with the ever-growing threat of Islamic radicalization in the prison system has been deemed an utter failure. French officials announced Tuesday that they would no longer isolate inmates with jihadists tendencies from other inmates, or offer therapeutic services or specialized counseling aimed at de-radicalizing Islamic terrorists already in prison.

They found that the program actually increased the threat of radicalizing inmates into terrorists rather than diminishing it...

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French Prisons to Stop Segregating Islamist Inmates

PARIS—The French government said Tuesday it planned to stop segregating Islamist inmates due to worries the short-lived practice risked deepening radicalism in the country’s prisons rather than stemming its spread.

Justice Minister Jean-Jacques Urvoas said he would shut down four special wards that authorities had established inside prisons in recent years. Instead, the government plans to transform some of the wards into units where inmates will stay for four months to determine if they are hardened radicals. Anyone deemed dangerous will then be transferred to high-security facilities designed for violent inmates or to isolation wards, he added.

The new system cuts short the government’s experimentation with a therapeutic approach that aimed to “deradicalize” inmates through counseling while separating them from the prison[’s general population. Authorities have long worried that French prisons have become an incubator for terror attacks, allowing petty criminals to come into contact with Islamist recruiters.

“I don’t use the term of deradicalization, I don’t think we can invent a vaccine against this temptation,” Mr. Urvoas told reporters...

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The French have determined that their attempts at de-radicalization have been a complete and utter failure. I am not surprised.
Same-same for the UK. This on Sky News today:

http://news.sky.com/story/warning-as...reets-10639848
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I wish I could say this surprises me, even in the slightest. It does not.

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Obama’s Secret Muslim List
Why enemies of Israel and Iran’s “go-to guy” appeared on the list.

Like a warped Islamic version of Santa Claus, Obama had a secret Muslim list. And his people checked it at least twice. The list was of Muslims who were prospects for important jobs and appointments.

It included a Muslim who had described Israel as an “Apartheid State,” Iran’s “go-to guy in New York financial circles” and a number of figures linked to the Muslim Brotherhood.

It was the ultimate religious test from an administration that had vocally rejected them.

Obama had claimed that having religious tests for migration was “shameful” and “not American.”

“When I hear folks say that, well maybe we should just admit the Christians but not the Muslims,” he huffed from Turkey. His Muslim host country was run by a bigoted sponsor of Islamic terror.

"We don’t have religious tests,” he insisted.

Except we did and we do. Obama also had religious tests. His religious tests excluded Christians and favored Muslims. That is why his Syrian refugees were between 98% and 99% Muslim with only 68 Christians and 24 Yazidis, even though both groups are real victims of the Muslim religious war...

... The recently revealed secret Muslim list is deeply troubling. There should be no religious test for political appointments. Yet Obama had one. And his people sought to screen out Christians and favor Muslims.

This represents behavior that is in Obama’s own words, “shameful” and “not American.” One can’t help but conclude that, based on his own principles, Obama is shameful and not American.

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So, the secret Muslim had a secret Muslim list.

Secrets out...why do I suspect that there is more...
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Old 11-03-2016, 07:19   #88
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France Shutting Down Mosques

France is shutting down four mosques for promoting a 'radical ideology.'

It is a start, but if the mosque is teaching the Quran, then it is promoting a 'radical ideology.'

The French only have 1,996 more to close. (Source)

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PARIS – France's interior minister has ordered the closure of four mosques that allegedly espoused a 'radical ideology,' the latest such shutdowns among dozens since the Nov. 13 Paris attacks nearly a year ago.

A state of emergency in France allows for the closing of places of worship where the preaching risks provoking hate, violence or acts of terrorism.

Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve ordered the mosques in the Paris region closed on Wednesday. A ministry statement did not name the mosques, located east, west and north of the city.

"Under cover of religion, these places held meetings that in reality were aimed at promoting a radical ideology," the statement said.

Dozens of mosques where radicalism allegedly thrived have been closed and non-citizens, including imams, expelled since the attacks that killed 130 people.

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secrets are just another way of saying "transparency"
...now get back to work and stop questioning your government
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Reformation of Islam Not Going to Happen

Looks like a reformation of Islam is not forthcoming.

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Top Muslim University Rejects Reform, Stands by ‘Terrorist Curriculum’
Al Azhar refuses to stop using radical texts used by ISIS.
December 1, 2016 Raymond Ibrahim

Much of the curriculum of Al Azhar—the Islamic world’s most prestigious university, located in Cairo—is based on Islamic books written in the medieval era or earlier. These books—histories, biographies of Muhammad, hadith (words and deeds of the latter), tafsirs (Koran exegeses), etc.—are often criticized by more reform-minded Muslims for being too backwards, teaching things such as unrelenting jihad and hatred for non-Muslims.

During a recent televised interview, Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, Egypt’s highest authority on Islam and Grand Imam of Al Azhar, was asked about his university’s reliance on these books. His responses left many reformers disappointed.

Tayeb insisted that all books used by Al Azhar are fine: “Our heritage books are innocent and being abused by those ignorant or indecent among us—and that’s all they can be: either ignorant or indecent.”

Settling the question in such black and white terms completely overlooks the fact that many of these books are indeed loaded with problematic teachings. It is from these books—in this case, one of the histories of the prophet—that ISIS justifies burning people alive.

He continued his apologia: “Some say, do away with the other, ancillary books of Al Azhar. Okay, but then how can I understand the Koran and Sunna?” He explained that if Al Azhar got rid of the other books, every Muslim would be free to interpret the Koran any which way they want—claiming that that’s what ISIS does. Tayeb even attacked using one’s brain, or reason, to understand the Koran, claiming again that that is what ISIS does.

This was another strange assertion: it is ISIS that most criticizes the free use of the brain, and insists on slavishly following the teachings of those ancillary books—which teach anything from eating the flesh of infidel captives to selling women and children on slave markets.

But the most telling portion of the interview came when Al Azhar’s Grand Imam said:

When they [reformers] say that Al Azhar must change the religious discourse, change the religious discourse, this too is, I mean, I don’t know—a new windmill that just appeared, this “change religious discourse”—what change religious discourse? Al Azhar doesn’t change religious discourse—Al Azhar proclaims the true religious discourse, which we learned from our elders.

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