Social Impact of Wuhan Virus

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Penn

Restaurant will be very challenged to reopen and will be required by new social norms being instituted to expand spacing between tables, effecting COS, to keep margins - price increases may not be tolerated.

Since we've lived in the same town for a number or years we've seen the progression in a few of the restaurants we like to go to.

One, a wings place that we've gone to for over 20 years, had the regular seating and then a bar section that had the bar, a few high tables with high chairs and a couple of pool tables.

They did pretty good business.

One day the pool tables were gone and a few more high tables were added. The bar area was still pretty spread out.

Then it seemed like they were slowly adding tables one each year. Slowly the area got more crowded.

This last time we went it was packed. The wait staff had a hard time getting between the tables and your chair was backed up to the chairs at the next table. Once things open up again if it's that crowded we'll find a new place to go. Don't like eating wings when the chair behind your chair is banging into it.

Point being - slowly filling an eating area over time is seldom noted by many.

[Surf n Turf]

Interesting article that might show shifts in America’s future AFTER this Chinese virus has run its course

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7 Major Cultural Shifts The Coronavirus Crisis Should Make Happen

The spectre of one’s mortality that a global health and economic crisis raises can be a needed and sobering opportunity to reconsider and reorder our lives, if we’re granted them longer.

The coronavirus pandemic is a social stress test exposing many Americans’ lack of responsibility for our lives, our willingness to hold other people’s lives hostage to our own, and our national unpreparedness to manage danger. What are some long-term positive steps this moment of unexpected reflection and improvement should inspire us to take to address that? Here are a few ideas.

1. Massive Shift in Education
2. Prepping for Emergencies, Government Incompetence
3. More Flexible Work Environments
4. Better Social Norms About Sickness
5. Basic Financial Responsibility
6. Learning How to Live through Deprivation
7. Revitalization of Community Relationships

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/02...d-make-happen/

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Surf n Turf

Interesting article that might show shifts in America’s future AFTER this Chinese virus has run its course

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Thanks for that. There are some seriously bloated sacred cows up there to be slain.

[1stindoor]

Originally Posted by Surf n Turf

Interesting article that might show shifts in America’s future AFTER this Chinese virus has run its course

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https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/02...d-make-happen/

Interesting article, but as the husband of an elementary school teacher (kindergarten...finishing her 30th year), I find the section on Education pretty full of holes. While it may be true at the HS level...and maybe only partially at the MS level. I've witnessed first hand the effects of no supervision and no education going on in the home before Kindergarten starts and during long breaks (summer, fall, spring, etc.).

Originally Posted by YOUR ARTICLE

Parents are getting a taste of what exactly their kids do all day. Some will discover that if a layperson can do the job of a credentialed teacher in half the time, maybe that’s an indication of serious lack. Families may discover that learning outside the default is more refreshing, less stressful, and less propagandistic.

Keep in mind my wife teaches Kindergarten...her phone has blown up with emails and texts every day since the schools closed down. Parents across the board in Elementary Ed (my daughter teaches 5th grade)...are seriously ill-equipped to lay the foundation young students need. MOO, we're going to see the effects of this shut down soon as younger kids get a cruel lesson about actually being ready for the following grade.

Before anyone gets their feelings hurt, I am not talking about the people that have home-schooled. The biggest difference there is the dedication and commitment they make to their children's education. Typically they're not trying to balance a full time job...educating their children IS their full time job.

[Pete]

Cumberland County Schools (NC) have been running (at least for the grand daughter's grade) an on line "school" for the last two weeks.

Very cobbled together at the start and running many different apps on phones. Took the wife a few days to get it all working for the grand daughter. Basically they have on line homework every day and her class gets on line together for a chat for an hour. Things are a lot smoother now that it's all on a lap top.

Problem is only about 1/2 to 2/3s of the students are participating. The poor section of the school zone makes a distinct majority of those not participating.

[1stindoor]

Same experiences at our house. Another part of the bigger problem is that the IT infrastructure isn't there to support thousands of school aged kids trying to log on at the same time and stream online content.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by 1stindoor

Interesting article, but as the husband of an elementary school teacher (kindergarten...finishing her 30th year), I find the section on Education pretty full of holes. While it may be true at the HS level...and maybe only partially at the MS level. I've witnessed first hand the effects of no supervision and no education going on in the home before Kindergarten starts and during long breaks (summer, fall, spring, etc.).

Keep in mind my wife teaches Kindergarten...her phone has blown up with emails and texts every day since the schools closed down. Parents across the board in Elementary Ed (my daughter teaches 5th grade)...are seriously ill-equipped to lay the foundation young students need. MOO, we're going to see the effects of this shut down soon as younger kids get a cruel lesson about actually being ready for the following grade.

Before anyone gets their feelings hurt, I am not talking about the people that have home-schooled. The biggest difference there is the dedication and commitment they make to their children's education. Typically they're not trying to balance a full time job...educating their children IS their full time job.

My #1 teaches pre-K in NOVA. Fortunately, she has a healthy background in on-line education. She is pumping out hints and plans daily. Little ones in K & Pre-K are fairly easily redirected and pick-up online fast,, IF they have access and tools.

The USA G-Kids, 8, 11, & 14 YO's are fairing well but need more depth in subjects. They are all fortunate in that they love to read and have access to the net, but it's hard to find at-home practical applications in the sciences.

My #2 in London UK is having problems. Their flat is in the middle of a major re-build and has been since last Aug. It has forced the family to live in their bedrooms. The master BR is the kitchen, dining, & family room. Although the G- kids (5 & 8 YO) are online addicts, the UK school system is not.

Teachers are trying their best by mailing out plans. The UK & EU online access at the family level is behind the US. The infrastructure is there but the MIPS rates are not, so streaming is weak in many areas.

The salvation in the UK may be their full-time school year, as they can reorganize the calendar to accommodate the current "spring break".

I hear the Florida swamp critter this AM suggests his state will scrap the 2019-2020 school year and repeat ALL STUDENTS next year or some variation??

https://www.wtxl.com/news/local-news...ols-in-florida

[Penn]

Pete

Problem is only about 1/2 to 2/3s of the students are participating. The poor section of the school zone makes a distinct majority of those not participating.

Truth that every social justice activist denies. Generational ignorance perpetuated by the progressive liberal that argues standards are racist. Just as the Chinese virus is about geography and not ethnicity. Educational standard is about a level playing field, and not inequality.

[Penn]

1st ITD,

Same experiences at our house. Another part of the bigger problem is that the IT infrastructure isn't there to support thousands of school aged kids trying to log on at the same time and stream online content.
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The infrastructure is there and in use worldwide. In fact, posted in the library section are a number of subject taught on the coursera model. That model is easily adaptable to MS and HS curriculums. But like all things that have the potential to disenfranchise power, the progressive left will never allow education to be outsourced, to lose the ability to influence in Mao's concept will never be afforded to parents, or society as a whole.

[1stindoor]

Originally Posted by Penn

1st ITD,


The infrastructure is there and in use worldwide. In fact, posted in the library section are a number of subject taught on the coursera model. That model is easily adaptable to MS and HS curriculums. But like all things that have the potential to disenfranchise power, the progressive left will never allow education to be outsourced, to lose the ability to influence in Mao's concept will never be afforded to parents, or society as a whole.

And then there's that....thanks for additional consideration. I was being naive and leaving out the whole part about the power issue. It does definitely highlight the vast differences in the haves/haves not. I feel bad for the parents that are struggling to keep their kids tuned in so that they're ready for the next year.

[Penn]

So many times here a discussion in mysteriously duplicated in MSM, case in point: social and economic impact on Restaurants, call me crazy, almost virbatim.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/jon-ta...after-covid-19

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

I hear the Florida swamp critter this AM suggests his state will scrap the 2019-2020 school year and repeat ALL STUDENTS next year or some variation??

That's drastic. The students have completed half a school year, plus some, before this hit the fan.

Here in the Anchorage area, high school seniors are now being given the option of dropping any non-core subject not needed for graduation, using their 3rd quarter grade as the final grade. Or dropping it completely off the transcript. Core subjects are being taught via remote online school now.

Why start a school year completely over? That's nuts.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Penn

So many times here a discussion in mysteriously duplicated in MSM, case in point: social and economic impact on Restaurants, call me crazy, almost virbatim.

Well, the modern version of "journalist" - especially the online feeders who can't type, have poor spelling and their editors don't - are always looking for people who actually KNOW what they're talking about.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Penn

The infrastructure is there and in use worldwide.

We've had several blistering local editorials taking a particular telecomm provider to task for failed promises and their taking of 1/2 Billion dollars over some years to improve bandwidth to the outlying areas. It's not just the students having it available. A teacher, trying to conduct a class while quarantined, who also lives in an outlying/underserved area is often operating as if he/she had a 386 desktop on a late-80's ethernet in terms of speed. And trying to assemble & feed content to a class, on what amounts to the extra copper pair of their phone line.

The Big Mama Cable/Internet provider hasn't gotten their construction out there yet. They're trying as fast as they can to pickup where the Telco has failed. The provider being scalded is the Telco who said after de-reg in 1985 that they "just couldn't wait" to jump in and build infrastructure to get in on this internet thing. Gov't largesse went to some suits at the Telco, but it didn't put innerduct & FO cable & multiplexers in the ground.

And, like Special Forces Soldiers, they are not created using a just-in-time delivery model.

[cbtengr]

Easy to find how many folks have died from the virus but just try to find stats for those who have recovered.

Regarding unemployment numbers. Here is one headline. THE US ECONOMY LOST 701,000 JOBS IN MARCH — WORST REPORT SINCE 2009
https://www.waaytv.com/content/news/569348122.html

The unemployment rate in December of 2009 was 9.9%, can you imagine how bad it would be now had it never recovered to a record low of 3.5% as recently as March. Shock and awe by the MSM. I see the glass as being half full. YMMV