05-23-2012, 08:57
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There's stupid and then there's CIA Stupid.
There's stupid and then there's CIA Stupid.
Central Intelligence Agency FAILURE.
This asset should have been removed from the country along with his entire family "before" the raid went down.
Someone in the Central Intelligence Agency should be flipping hamburgers at Mc Donald's instead of working at the CIA.
Pakistani doctor who helped US in bin Laden raid sentenced to prison
Published May 23, 2012
Associated Press
PESHAWAR, Pakistan – A Pakistani doctor who helped the U.S. track down Usama bin Laden was sentenced to 33 years in prison on Wednesday for conspiring against the state, officials said, a verdict that is likely to further strain the country's relationship with Washington.
Shakil Afridi ran a vaccination program for the CIA to collect DNA and verify bin Laden's presence at the compound in the town of Abbottabad where U.S. commandos killed the Al Qaeda chief last May in a unilateral raid. The operation outraged Pakistani officials, who portrayed it as an act of treachery by a supposed ally.
Senior U.S. officials have called for Afridi to be released, saying his work served Pakistani and American interests. But many Pakistani officials, especially those working for the country's powerful spy agency, do not see it that way.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05...#ixzz1vhlzR3Da
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05-23-2012, 09:03
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I can't friggin believe we threw him under the bus like that.... way to support our credibility for working with us.Gee..I wonder how many other we can count on after this??
Help us out, and then we'll bail on ya...great
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05-23-2012, 09:17
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News doesn't say - nationalism, ego, or familial issues can have a strange affect on a person like this guy and he may have refused to come out or wasn't ready to come out and got caught up while preparing to do so - it's happened before.
However, if we did abandon him...
It'll be interesting to see how this one pans out.
Is ST6 on alert yet?
Richard
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05-23-2012, 09:26
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Even my wife and I who don't know squat about any kind of espionage, military action, etc. figured that the move was pretty odd.
Then the cynic in me thought:
Send in the SEALS to break him out of jail for more presidential press
I'd love to know the +/- discussed in the meeting regarding leaving that man swinging in the breeze. It just seems like common sense to pull him and family out.
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05-23-2012, 11:03
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Doesn't matter, if the Central Intelligence Agency failed to get him out or failed to convince him that the lives of him and his family would be in extreme danger then they failed.
As was already mentioned, this is now front page news, try to get another Pakistani doctor, lawyer, general, etc to assist the United States again, ain't going to happen. The Central Intelligence Agency made damn sure of that.
He should have been given a few million a house in San Francisco and a new identity.
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05-23-2012, 11:23
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When the US announced the subterfuge of using the doctor, I immediately thought that this must be payback to a double agent. Why would the US gratuitously give away a good ruse like a vaccination campaign, to simply enlighten the world as to how they operate?
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05-23-2012, 11:26
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Originally Posted by Guymullins
When the US announced the subterfuge of using the doctor, I immediately thought that this must be payback to a double agent. Why would the US gratuitously give away a good ruse like a vaccination campaign, to simply enlighten the world as to how they operate?
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Because it's going to be in the "movie".
You can't fix stupid but you can vote it out.
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05-23-2012, 11:50
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
There's stupid and then there's CIA Stupid.
Central Intelligence Agency FAILURE.
This asset should have been removed from the country along with his entire family "before" the raid went down.
Someone in the Central Intelligence Agency should be flipping hamburgers at Mc Donald's instead of working at the CIA.
Pakistani doctor who helped US in bin Laden raid sentenced to prison
Published May 23, 2012
Associated Press
PESHAWAR, Pakistan – A Pakistani doctor who helped the U.S. track down Usama bin Laden was sentenced to 33 years in prison on Wednesday for conspiring against the state, officials said, a verdict that is likely to further strain the country's relationship with Washington.
Shakil Afridi ran a vaccination program for the CIA to collect DNA and verify bin Laden's presence at the compound in the town of Abbottabad where U.S. commandos killed the Al Qaeda chief last May in a unilateral raid. The operation outraged Pakistani officials, who portrayed it as an act of treachery by a supposed ally.
Senior U.S. officials have called for Afridi to be released, saying his work served Pakistani and American interests. But many Pakistani officials, especially those working for the country's powerful spy agency, do not see it that way.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05...#ixzz1vhlzR3Da
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for conspiring against the state,
I find that line very interesting, To me that says that they knew Bin Laden was there the whole time. I realize we knew they knew, but this kind of puts it out there for the world to know. Yea we were not only harboring Bin Laden, we are making an example of the guy who helped the US lead to his capture.
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05-23-2012, 12:38
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I just heard this on the news this morning. The doctor should have gotten all or part of the $25 million reward and safe haven. Doesn't bode well for future cooperation from someone who may be able to help the U.S.
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05-23-2012, 13:29
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Originally Posted by FMF DOC
for conspiring against the state,
I find that line very interesting, To me that says that they knew Bin Laden was there the whole time. I realize we knew they knew, but this kind of puts it out there for the world to know. Yea we were not only harboring Bin Laden, we are making an example of the guy who helped the US lead to his capture.
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My thoughts exactly
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05-23-2012, 14:33
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Too bad Joe Six Pack will never understand the implications.
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05-23-2012, 14:47
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CIA = Central Ignorant Agency......... What cults,scares the shit out of me that they are so f**ken stupid......... We have to trust them,we have no other choice...
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05-23-2012, 15:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mark46th
I just heard this on the news this morning. The doctor should have gotten all or part of the $25 million reward and safe haven. Doesn't bode well for future cooperation from someone who may be able to help the U.S.
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Don't forget the double agent outed on the recent AQAP bomb plot, aside from him, word has it that Saudi intelligence was involved as well. Hell, we have a hard enough time getting foreign intelligence agencies to play nice with us in their sandbox, and now we are going to throw them out of said sandbox when we score. Idiots!
ETA: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...plot_bust.html
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05-23-2012, 16:22
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Sometimes there are reasons for 'outing' someone or letting someone 'take the fall' for someone else - all I'm sayin'...
And so it goes...
Richard
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05-23-2012, 16:56
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I smell other forces afoot here. I do not know any specifics but I ASSUME that this was some sort of post-raid "WTF" by the ISI and Paki government. Basically, a statement akin to "give us the source our we'll make your lives (even more) difficult".
I'm not saying it's right but it seems the doc was traded for something.
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