01-15-2021, 12:35
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DC Guard activated
Is the DC Guard an Infantry unit or what?
They look to need some time at Nasty Nick's Playground and Jungle Gym??
Also, How did the number grow from 2,700 to 20K?
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Originally Posted by DC Guard web page
Today’s D.C. National Guard remains strong with more than 2,700 Soldiers and Airmen available to execute its missions. D.C. National Guard Soldiers and Airmen resides within the District of Columbia, Maryland and Virginia, and are proud to be from the communities in which we protect and serve.
The D.C National Guard was formed in 1802 by President Thomas Jefferson to defend the newly created District of Columbia. As such, the Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard is subordinate solely to the President of the United States. This authority to activate the D.C. National Guard has been delegated, by the President, to the Secretary of Defense and further delegated to the Secretary of the Army. The D.C. National Guard is the only National Guard unit, out of all of the 54 states and territories, which reports only to the President.
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Hopefully, Joe will keep the rioters placated and they will go home none the worse for wear.
This inauguration reminds me of the 1972 Democratic & Republican Conventions in Miami.
My unit C/3/20th SFG(a) was invited to attend.
We were billeted (hidden) in grade schools for each convention.
One was on Key Biscane, a block from Nixon's Florida Whitehouse
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01-15-2021, 13:08
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2,700 for security, 17,300 are for the parade.....
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01-15-2021, 13:45
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Critics warn National Guard lacks exit strategy for presidential inauguration
Critics warn National Guard lacks exit strategy for presidential inauguration
The Duffel Blog strikes again
https://www.duffelblog.com/p/critics...YIcbmqISzgrsFQ
"WASHINGTON — More than 20,000 national guardsmen are expected to deploy to the nation’s capital to provide additional security during President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration on Jan. 20, but critics warn the National Guard appears to lack an exit strategy.
“We have no metric for what success looks like,” said one high ranking officer. “Is it an hour after the man is sworn in? Is it when the protesters have all left? We just don’t know.”
The ongoing military campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq have left many questioning if this deployment to Washington has a defined objective or could be instead a so-called “Forever Civil War.”......."
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01-15-2021, 14:16
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Let’s hope no one whispers Anwar El Sadat into the Big Guys ear just before the ceremony.
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01-15-2021, 14:34
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If only the “President” has the authority to activate them...?
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01-15-2021, 14:38
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Saw a CBS News video of razor wire being installed on the fence around the Capitol. Strangely, it was being installed on the inside of the fence.
Also the video showed a bunch of NG guys standing around with their rifles equipped with ACOGs and no magazines loaded. At least they all were indexing their trigger finger....
Another site said that by next week the number will be up to 30,000. That's gonna need a long logistics train.
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01-15-2021, 14:42
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Originally Posted by Golf1echo
Let’s hope no one whispers Anwar El Sadat into the Big Guys ear just before the ceremony.
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Gropey Joe would probably say "Oh yeah I loved her in that Wonder Woman movie."
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01-16-2021, 08:07
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$Bill Clinton, when he "reduced the size government," did so on the backs of cutting the active force. He put the combat power of the Army into the Guard, and the CS,CSS into the Reserves. Smart in one way in that if we ever MOB for a "war," the hometown goes and gets immediate support. That was part and parcel of his militant adventurism around the world with Madelain Albright (half-bright). Many of these places we are still stuck, a generation later.
It's unfair to the Guard as they have to complete the individual, common, and collective tasks in 29 days for the year, wherein our active forces barely can get them done in 365 days. We can do EO/SHARP/suicide prevention/and security awareness training like crazy, but running a range or getting out and practicing killing our enemies..?? Not so much.
Not sure about the arming status of the Guard, but when we discussed it down here, if they are federalized (Title 10), the decision was made NOT to arm them (allow rounds). As usual, I think that a stupid decision. If it is dangerous enough to have the guard and require them to have weapons, they should have the rounds for the weapons. If the Brass doesn't "trust" their troops with live rounds, then the Brass should be relieved for failure to train their forces adequately.
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01-16-2021, 08:30
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Originally Posted by JimP
$Bill Clinton,
Not sure about the arming status of the Guard, but when we discussed it down here, if they are federalized (Title 10), the decision was made NOT to arm them (allow rounds). As usual, I think that a stupid decision. If it is dangerous enough to have the guard and require them to have weapons, they should have the rounds for the weapons. If the Brass doesn't "trust" their troops with live rounds, then the Brass should be relieved for failure to train their forces adequately.
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Not sure they would give some 20,000 plus patriots live ammo and allow them to be anywhere within range of any of the people in DC. That goes against everything the secret squirrels stand for. Just because you wear the uniform of a United States of America service member doesn’t automatically make you unequivocally loyal to the party in power or the party assuming power.
And if they did give them ammo they probably took all their firing pins or BCG.
ETA: If there is not a single AD/UD reported in the news over the deployment period...they don’t have ammo.
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01-16-2021, 08:38
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With congressional members making disparaging comments about their peers possibly bringing in weapons to attack them I would think that they would be even more critical of the NG who they don't know, trust, care about on any other day, and believe that they are white supremist.
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01-16-2021, 09:00
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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick
Not sure they would give some 20,000 plus patriots live ammo and allow them to be anywhere within range of any of the people in DC. And if they did give them ammo they probably took all their firing pins or BCG.
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Maybe congress doesn't trust them?
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Congress Wants the Military to Report Extremism in the Ranks. Here's Why That Will Be Tough, 14 Sep 2019, Military.com | By Gina Harkins and Matthew Cox
Lawmakers want the military to explain how it's tracking dangerous ideologies in the ranks, including white supremacy and neo-Nazisim. But even as the problem grows more widespread, it's going to be difficult for leaders to spot and police, experts who spoke with Military.com warned.
A new mandate proposed by Senate appropriators, tucked into the $695 billion fiscal 2020 defense spending bill, would require the Defense Department to provide a report explaining how it's tracking extremist beliefs among those in uniform.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/...-be-tough.html
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Sounds kinda like the reasoning for the Brown Shirts?
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01-16-2021, 09:39
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Washington to see 'new normal' for security after Biden inauguration: DC mayor
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“I think our entire country is going to have to deal with how our intelligence apparatus, security apparatus at every level deal with a very real and present threat to our nation.”
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...spm&stream=top
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01-16-2021, 09:43
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No NG units have been Federalized thus far. A large number of units have brought small arms. A smaller number have been deputized in order to perform law enforcement-like activities in support of CPD and MPD. Several units have received issued ammo.
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01-16-2021, 11:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker
With congressional members making disparaging comments about their peers possibly bringing in weapons to attack them I would think that they would be even more critical of the NG who they don't know, trust, care about on any other day, and believe that they are white supremist.
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Mostly talking about Boebert. My understanding is that she is safe and reasonably competent shooter.
I would have enjoyed the optics of her standing her ground during the invasion and defending her 5' 100 pound self and a few lefties for good measure.
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01-16-2021, 11:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JimP
$Bill Clinton, when he "reduced the size government," did so on the backs of cutting the active force. He put the combat power of the Army into the Guard, and the CS,CSS into the Reserves. Smart in one way in that if we ever MOB for a "war," the hometown goes and gets immediate support. That was part and parcel of his militant adventurism around the world with Madelain Albright (half-bright). Many of these places we are still stuck, a generation later.
It's unfair to the Guard as they have to complete the individual, common, and collective tasks in 29 days for the year, wherein our active forces barely can get them done in 365 days. We can do EO/SHARP/suicide prevention/and security awareness training like crazy, but running a range or getting out and practicing killing our enemies..?? Not so much.
Not sure about the arming status of the Guard, but when we discussed it down here, if they are federalized (Title 10), the decision was made NOT to arm them (allow rounds). As usual, I think that a stupid decision. If it is dangerous enough to have the guard and require them to have weapons, they should have the rounds for the weapons. If the Brass doesn't "trust" their troops with live rounds, then the Brass should be relieved for failure to train their forces adequately.
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Another issue with the guard is the politics from state level. Many senior leaders get their positions based in something besides their competency.
And that leads to the sort of leader who puts troops in full battle rattle at attention so a politician can address them for a photo op.
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