04-16-2004, 19:42
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IIRC, the teal color is TIOH's 'branch non-specific' color; since SF wasn't a branch back when the patch was created, it was made in teal. To support the color theory, the 1st Space Battalion and its three companies just received their guideons here, and they are teal (there's no 'space' branch in the Army).
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Love to see that patch and guidon.
"Where are you assigned?"
"1st Space Battalion."
"Yeah, sure. Where are you really?"
LOL!
TR
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04-17-2004, 22:03
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I'll bring the digcam in to work Monday.  The most common question the kids get when we send them to PLDC at Ft Lewis and other AD soldiers see their SSI is, "So, are you National Guard?"
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04-19-2004, 13:52
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I leave for a few days and look at the mess the kids made!
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04-20-2004, 08:34
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Ok, no response to my comment from last night. I think I've mastered the "thread ender". Wasn't intended that way. This was going to be my next post anyway, GREAT TOPIC! Good history. Col. Applegate would be proud of you guys. With NDD's permission, I may have some more test questions on this subject.
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04-20-2004, 08:45
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Originally posted by Bill Harsey
Bill H. thinking to himself: "Ok, no response to my comment from last night. " I wonder if everyone just missed it in the frenzy to see NDD's pic??? I will post again and see if that was it and not that I am just being ignored."
Bill H. Posting/Screaming: HELLO!!! (echo... "HELLOOOooo...hello...hello")... IS ANYBODY READING MY POST?? (echo.. "body readin my POST, Post,post")... GREAT THREAD HERE! (echo..."o' HERE..here")
Bill H. thinking to himself: I think I've mastered the "thread ender". Damn...
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You are not alone Bill. Someone is always watching, listening, reading.....and waiting for the right moment!!!  LOL haha
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04-20-2004, 08:51
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Based om my observations, kind of like how snipers work. This said with full and complete respect for that craft.
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04-20-2004, 10:39
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With NDD's permission, I may have some more test questions on this subject.
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Mr. Harsey, you don't need my permission for anything. Test away please.
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04-20-2004, 10:56
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Test Question
Does anyone know where Captains Fairbairn and Sykes served before World War Two and what this had to do with the knife that bears these two great men's names?
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04-20-2004, 10:59
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Re: Test Question
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Does anyone know where Captains Fairbairn and Sykes served before World War Two and what this had to do with the knife that bears these two great men's names?
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Shanghai Police?
No idea what it had to do with the knife.
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04-20-2004, 11:44
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If I recall, Fairbain based his combatives methods on experience gained while he was a member of the Shanghai police department. To include the use of a knife and what qualities a knife should have to be an effective weapon. eventually resulting in the F/S knife and the techniques to use it effectively. It has been stated that Fairbain was involved in 600 armed confrontations while in Shanghai.
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04-21-2004, 10:52
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I will share some interesting history on the Fairbairn/Sykes knives soon. Several engineers need confusing right now, must get back to that.
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04-21-2004, 12:57
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I will share some interesting history on the Fairbairn/Sykes knives soon. Several engineers need confusing right now, must get back to that.
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Does that pay well?
If so, are there any open positions there?
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04-22-2004, 08:19
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Confusing engineers doesn't pay well, but it pays worse if I don't. Sir Reaper, I think you may, uh, I mean could be good at this.
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04-22-2004, 08:47
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NDD, Question that started this asked "What knife is shown on the SF Crest and Patch?". Answer seems to be V-42 Stiletto. That may be the knife that's intended to be represented but it's not what's shown. The handle, blade and guard shape are wrong for the V-42 Stiletto. The V-42 has a very narrow blade that tapers to a very sharp point. Knife on patch has nearly parallel sides and is too wide at the point. The V-42 guard is bent slightly forward while patch depicts a straight guard like the Fairbairn/Sykes. The handle of the V-42 has only a single bulge in the middle at the 2/3's forward point with NO RECURVE before pommel. Knife on patch has a recurved handle just before the pommel and I've never seen a V-42 with this handle feature. At the end of the handle the skull crusher pommel flares to a wider circlular ring making a grip for "pull back". Just a knifemakers observations.
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