02-15-2007, 10:55
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Body Armor that floats eh!?!
If you had a large interceptor vest with medium plates....You maybe be able to stay afloat if enough air gets into the excess room, but I don't recommend gear that doesn't fit exact to you. Also if you have a lot of waterproofed bags that have not been compressed down like cryo-vac it's possible but I wouldn't try it personally. As for your gear being dumped, drop all the unnecessary stuff and keep only the mission essential equipment. If that's all you got, well.....you better swim hard and get to one side or the other  . Don't panic or it's game over!!!
Just my 2 copper colored coins,
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07-12-2007, 12:17
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I've been working on improving my strokes. I also work on holding my breath, which has gotten to 3:06.19.
Thought I'd share the (free) resources that I used in addition to advices from collegiate swimmer, coach, triathlon competitor and one PJ.
Youtube has gotten more and more self-taught material ranging from proper Japanese pronunciation to swimming lesson.
The few that I use (all copy and paste):
Combat side stroke and 50m underwater swim
youtube.com/watch?v=4lUHudMN1TU
youtube.com/watch?v=6CM4vCf5rJA
youtube.com/watch?v=wSxdkuyIYW4
Arm recovery drills and tips
youtube.com/watch?v=IQJtcu5ZP84
youtube.com/watch?v=i-NE8_1OG3w
Total immersion/triathlon swimming technique
youtube.com/watch?v=KOun77ezffk
youtube.com/user/tiswim
Eggbeater & drownproofing
youtube.com/watch?v=lJpDiLynBp8
youtube.com/watch?v=Zf-3UTGppv4 (ignore the music)
Also this thread
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ead.php?t=1318
Note that none of these are substitute for hard work & never-quit attitude. They are just ways to train smarter. As strokes get more efficient, there's less fatigue, longer swim range, and so on.
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07-12-2007, 13:07
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Frostfire-
Why do you need to hold your breath for 3 minutes? And why on earth are you practicing? As you get in better shape your VO2 max is going to increase no matter what, and being able to hold your breath is a function of O2 saturation vs. CO2 saturation and transfer. In other words, if you are in good shape you should be able to hold your breath longer. I'm no spring chicken and not in the shape I once was, but can still swim 3 - 4 x25m underwater... that would be a much better test than a static breaqth holding contest.
just my .02, YMMV
Shut up Kyo, even all the way across the country I can hear your brain grinding about the no spring chicken comment above (TR's ready to jump in too).
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07-12-2007, 18:14
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Frostfire, listen to x SF med, he knows things.
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07-12-2007, 18:43
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Shut up Kyo, even all the way across the country I can hear your brain grinding about the no spring chicken comment above
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I didn't say anything, but, um, don't you think that porno troll needs to go?
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07-12-2007, 21:00
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Roger, TS.
Thank you for sharing the info, x_SF_med. I should have realized this if I had put my A&P and athletic training material to practice. Diamond push-ups in progress for punishment.
This may be laughable and an example of transition from hard ass to dumb ass, but I practice holding breath for the following reasons:
- Something I've done since I was small. It's as if I'm testing how strong the power of the will to overcome the nature (the point where you expand/contract the lung w/o air exchange). In a way....training the mind  ?
- No scientific base for this one but personal experience, so placebo could be a factor. The higher my tolerance to discomfort induced by lack of air/O2, the longer my natural respiratory pause. That had greatly helped me in HP prone rapid fire w/ whole belly & chest touching the ground.
- I was hoping/believing it would help my underwater swimming.
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but can still swim 3 - 4 x25m underwater... that would be a much better test than a static breaqth holding contest.
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 wow, were you in competitive swimming? With all I got, I still struggle getting 2x25m
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"So we can suffer, and in suffering we know who we are" David Goggins
"Aide-toi, Dieu t'aidera " Jehanne, la Pucelle
Der, der Geld verliert, verliert einiges;
Der, der einen Freund verliert, verliert viel mehr;
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07-12-2007, 21:22
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I'm no spring chicken ...
Shut up Kyo, even all the way across the country I can hear your brain grinding about the no spring chicken comment above (TR's ready to jump in too).
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Please ignore if this is an inside joke.
I am scratching my head too on the relevance of spring chicken. In Charlotte's Web, there's a spring pig; pig born in spring that normally won't see snow since it'll be pork/ham on x'mas table in Fall. Well, so spring chicken is a chicken born in spring that  huh?
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"we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope" Rom. 5:3-4
"So we can suffer, and in suffering we know who we are" David Goggins
"Aide-toi, Dieu t'aidera " Jehanne, la Pucelle
Der, der Geld verliert, verliert einiges;
Der, der einen Freund verliert, verliert viel mehr;
Der, der das Vertrauen verliert, verliert alles.
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07-12-2007, 22:01
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Please ignore if this is an inside joke.
I am scratching my head too on the relevance of spring chicken. In Charlotte's Web, there's a spring pig; pig born in spring that normally won't see snow since it'll be pork/ham on x'mas table in Fall. Well, so spring chicken is a chicken born in spring that huh? |
The relative relevance of this is relatively lacking!!!
As far as traversing semi-deep water while wearing equipment..what happened to the tried and proven: "Bob And Travel"!!! It worked at Normandy!!!
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