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Old 01-04-2020, 13:34   #31
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Iran’s history of exporting terrorism is well documented. An excerpt below from the way-back machine to provide just some context - complete article at link.

Truth is Iran has been at war with us since 1979.

They lack the means for a head-to-head with us (they would destroy us and Israel without hesitation if they could). And, I have no problem with us GTFO of Iraq and let them all kill each other.

A Brief Timeline of Iran-Sponsored Terrorism Since 1979
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ADELLE NAZARIAN13 Oct 2017

WASHINGTON, D.C. – From its warmongering in Iraq, Syria, and to a degree in Yemen, to its meddling in Lebanon, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, the Palestinian territories, and Turkey, the Iranian regime and its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), through its terrorist proxy in Lebanon, Hezbollah, have caused chaos in the Middle East region since it came to power in 1979.

The following is a list of Iran-sponsored terrorist activities that have taken place since Iran’s late Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was overthrown and replaced with radical Islamic hardliner Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

1979: 52 American diplomats and citizens were taken from the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and held hostage for 444 days between November 4, 1979 – January 20, 1981 by a group of Iranian students belonging to the Muslim Student Followers of the Imam’s Line, supporters of the Iranian Revolution, and with the help of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards.

1982: Between 1982 and 1992, Iran-backed Hezbollah systematically abducted a total of 96 foreign nationals, including 25 U.S. citizens, during the Lebanon Hostage Crisis. CIA Station Chief William Buckley was among the Americans killed.

1983: On April 18, 1983, an Iran-backed Hezbollah suicide bomber rammed a truck into the U.S. embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, killing 63 people, including 17 Americans.

1983: On October 23, 1983, Iran-backed Hezbollah killed 241 Americans in a terrorist attack on the U.S. Embassy’s Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon. Over 100 were wounded. The explosion caused what was described as the “largest non-nuclear explosion that had ever been detonated on the face of the Earth,” A separate, and simultaneous, suicide truck bombed and destroyed a building housing French soldiers, leaving 58 French paratroopers dead.

1983: On December 12, 1983, Iran-backed Hezbollah and Iran-backed Shiite group Da’wa bombed the U.S. embassy in Kuwait leaving six dead and ninety injured.

1984: On September 20, 1984, Iran-backed Hezbollah detonated a van carrying explosives outside the U.S. Embassy annex in East Beirut, Lebanon, leaving 24 people dead. Among them were two Americans.

1985: On Friday, June 14, Iran-backed Hezbollah hijacked TWA flight 847, flying from Cairo, Egypt, to San Diego, California, and dumped U.S. Navy Diver Robert Stethem’s lifeless body onto the runway at the Beirut Airport. The hijackers sought the release of 700 Shi’ite Muslims being held as prisoners in Israel, Kuwait, and Spain.

1987: Hezbollah al-Hejaz, the Saudi-backed branch of Hezbollah, together with the help of the IRGC, carried out two attacks between 1987 and 1988. First, they bombed a gas facility in Ras al-Juaymah, Saudi Arabia, in August 1987. Then, in March 1988, they bombed a petrochemical plant in Jubail and an oil refinery in the Saudi City of Ras Tanura.

1988: United Nations Diplomat Robert Higgins was kidnapped in South Lebanon. Although the exact date of his murder is uncertain, he was declared dead on July 6, 1990.

1989: On July 13, 1989, then Secretary-General of the Kurdish Democratic Party of Iran (KDPI) Dr. Abdul-Rahman Ghassemlou was murdered in Vienna, Austria along with two of his associates where he was meeting secretly with Iran’s then-President Hashemi Rafsanjani. Austrian sources have reportedly connected Dr. Ghassemlou’s assassination to former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad through the sale of weapons.

1991: On August 8, 1991, Iranian politician Shapour Bakhtiar, the last Iranian prime minister prior to the Islamic Revolution of 1979, was murdered by Islamic regime operatives.

1992: On March 17, 1992, Iran-backed Hezbollah carried out a suicide bombing on the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires, Argentina, leaving 29 people killed and injuring 242 others.

1992: On September 17, 1992, the Iranian regime and then-Minister of Intelligence Ali Fallahian executed the murder of four Iranian Kurds at the Mykonos Café in Greece. The murder also included Dr. Mohammad Sadegh Sharafkandi, then-leader of the KDPI.

1994: On July 18, 1994, the Iranian regime bombed the AMIA Jewish community center in Buenos Aires, Argentina, leaving 85 people dead and injuring 300 others. This attack was the deadliest in the history of the Western Hemisphere prior to September 11, 2001.

1996: On June 25, 1996, fourteen members of the Iran-backed Saudi branch of Hezbollah bombed the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, leaving 19 U.S. airmen dead and 372 injured.

2000: On October 7, 2000, Iran-backed Hezbollah forces abducted three Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers from the Israeli side of the border with Lebanon. Benny Avraham, Adi Avitan, and Omar Souad’s bodies were returned to Israel in 2004 in exchange for the release of 400 Palestinian prisoners.

2005: On February 14, 2005, Iran-backed Hezbollah assassinated Lebanese Prime Minister Rafic Hariri, along with 21 others, in an explosion in Beirut.

2006: On July 12, 2006, Iran-backed Hezbollah infiltrated Israel in a raid, killing seven IDF soldiers in a conflict that would continue for a month.

2007: In March 2007, the Asaib Ahl al-Haq (AAH) terrorist group, directed by the IRGC-Quds Force, oversaw an attack that killed five U.S. soldiers in Karbala. The group’s leader, Sheikh Qais al-Khazali, directed this attack.

2007: Sheikh Qais al-Khazali organized the kidnapping of five British men in Iraq.

2009: Certain paramilitary groups in Iraq are affiliated with the IRGC and are engaged in terrorism and crimes against humanity. On June 24, 2009, the State Department designated Kataib Hezbollah (KH), a paramilitary group in Iraq affiliated with the IRGC, a terrorist organization. The group was responsible for attacks on U.S. forces, including the bombing of a U.S. Embassy in Iraq. The group’s head currently reports directly to Quds Force Commander Qasem Soleimani.

2011: In October 2011, dual U.S.-Iranian citizen Mansoor Arbabsiar and IRGC-Quds Forces commander Gholam Shakuri planned to bomb a restaurant in Washington, D.C., in order to target then Saudi Ambassador to Washington, Adel al-Jubeir. The plan was thwarted.

2012: Between February 13 and 14, 2012, members of the IRGC attempted to assassinate the wife of an Israeli diplomat in New Delhi, India. The wife and her driver were injured after the device planted on their car detonated.

2012: In March 2012, IRGC-backed terrorists targeted U.S. and Israeli officials in an Azerbaijan-based terror plot. Arrests prevented the plots from being carried out.

2012: On July 18, 2012, Iran-backed Hezbollah bombed a bus in Bulgaria, killing five Israeli tourists and the bus driver and injuring more than 30 others.

2015: In August 2015, Kuwait foiled an Iran-backed Hezbollah terror plot meant to destabilize Kuwait, which is located to the southeast of Iraq, where Tehran has a heavy presence.

2015: In December 2015, members of Iran-backed Katai’b Hezbollah in Iraq kidnapped 29 Qatari falcon hunters in the Iraqi desert only to release them over a year later in exchange for hundreds of millions of dollars in ransom.

Since then, nearly a dozen planned terrorist attacks by Iran-backed Hezbollah have been thwarted.

The IRGC could be designated a terrorist organization under Executive Order 13224, first signed by President George W. Bush on September 23, 2001.

In February, the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI)—an exiled Iranian resistance group affiliated with the Mujahedin-e-Khalq (MEK)—published a detailed intelligence report specifying the scope of terrorist training camps run by the IRGC and Quds Forces within Iran for the specific purpose of training foreign mercenaries. The report showed how the IRGC poaches Afghani and Pakistani recruits and brings them to Syria and Iraq to carry out the Iranian regime’s dirty work.

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https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...sm-since-1979/
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Old 01-04-2020, 14:40   #32
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I am convinced that Soleimani’s reason for being in Iraq, and having the meeting with Iraq sympathizers, was nothing less than to plan and execute an assault and a takeover of the American Embassy in the manner that it was done in Tehran Iran in 1979.

The original “demonstration” on the perimeter was a poorly organized and led demonstration, but it was also a test run to determine American response time and to set up both sides for a later full assault.

Three days later, most — but not all — of the attackers withdrew. A professional core remained to continue surveillance of the objective.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50966958

I disagree with some other soldiers that that Soleimani’s Revolutionary Guard and Iraqi militias were going to try for another Benghazi.

They they had bigger goals: they were planning for another Tehran, with American hostages inside the embassy surrounded by “student protesters” and led by the Quds in civilian clothing .

The assumption would be that the United States would not risk the beheading of its entire Embassy staff and would have had to parley their way out of the situation, perhaps by a Jimmy “the Coward” Carter style total withdrawal of the US from Iraq, with the embassy hostages the last Americans to leave on the last flight out.

The attackers would have been portrayed as “students” and “demonstrators,” not the work of a foreign government against US territory (and embassy real estate IS United States real estate under the Vienna Convention governing diplomatic affairs).

But to pull it off, the Iranians and their sympathizers in Iraq would have needed arms, intelligence, a cover story, perhaps several more assaults to test defenses and to de-sensitize the defenders: “Oh, just another demonstration, nothing to see here” …
… until this time well prepared demolition charges blow gaps in the walls and the demonstrators now have hundreds of rifles, RPG’s and grenades as they surge through the gaps within minutes.

The Iranians were willing to bet that the Americans would not attack Iran, at least in the manner of George Bush vs. Iraq (full mobilization and deployment) since in their mind they had:

– “plausible deniability” of Iranian involvement.
– A US President facing an impeachment trial.
– A US Congress (at least the House of Representatives) who would dither and wring hands and would never issue a use of force resolution.
– An impotent United Nations who would do nothing, especially since Russia and China have veto authority in the Security Council.
– A weakened NATO whose primary ally with the United States (England) is itself in the midst of political turmoil and BREXIT proceedings.
– A United States presidential election in which all Democrat candidates would scurry to the left, and do nothing but blame President Trump for the Embassy takeover.

It is no coincidence that the Tehran embassy takeover happened in November 1979, only a few months before the 1980 election campaign was to commence. I think Soleimani had a “penciled -in” date of about March 2010 to take over the Baghdad embassy.

The President had a golden minute to destroy the planner and some of his key allies. He took it.

Well done, Mr. Trump.

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Old 01-04-2020, 16:01   #33
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I am convinced that Soleimani’s reason for being in Iraq, and having the meeting with Iraq sympathizers, was nothing less than to plan and execute an assault and a takeover of the American Embassy in the manner that it was done in Tehran Iran in 1979.

...they were planning for another Tehran, with American hostages inside the embassy surrounded by “student protesters” and led by the Quds in civilian clothing.

The assumption would be that the United States would not risk the beheading of its entire Embassy staff and would have had to parley their way out of the situation, perhaps by a Jimmy “the Coward” Carter style total withdrawal of the US from Iraq, with the embassy hostages the last Americans to leave on the last flight out.

The attackers would have been portrayed as “students” and “demonstrators,” not the work of a foreign government against US territory (and embassy real estate IS United States real estate under the Vienna Convention governing diplomatic affairs).
Concur.

That embassy was a huge target and a significant asset providing Iran potentially substantial leverage (which they lack at the moment).

Trump, based on solid intelligence, took the initiative and stopped a much larger clusterf&ck.
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Old 01-04-2020, 18:56   #34
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Don’t need to destroy a country to decapitate its leaders.

Iraq and the Rumsfeld doctrine should be a recent example of what not to do.
I don't think "Shock and Awe" is the same as "Bomb them back to the Stone Age"

Blast Iran and don't waste money on rebuilding the place. "Decapitation " sounds like "Whack a Mole" Course, I'm not opposed to "Decapitate" while doing "Back to the Stone Age."

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Iran is talking very boldly about targeting certain USA assets as revenge for our ridding the world of their terrorist leader who had just killed an American, & badly wounded many others, not to mention all of the people he had killed over his lifetime, including recently....

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....hundreds of Iranian protesters. He was already attacking our Embassy, and preparing for additional hits in other locations. Iran has been nothing but problems for many years. Let this serve as a WARNING that if Iran strikes any Americans, or American assets, we have.....

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....targeted 52 Iranian sites (representing the 52 American hostages taken by Iran many years ago), some at a very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture, and those targets, and Iran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD. The USA wants no more threats!


It also sounds like the Iraqi government might invite us to leave. That happens and Donald fulfills another promise.

As a geezer steeped in 1940's, 50's, 60's Cold War, it sounds like we're going "Massive Retaliation" Interesting Trump said "Iranian Culture"

Take out the Statue of Liberty, we take out one or all of your dime store religious sites. I'd prefer using Tac Nukes myself so they can't rebuild.
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Old 01-04-2020, 19:13   #35
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I love it that now Trump is saying that we will hit "52" Iranian targets if there is any more bullshit from Iran...the exact number of the Hostages taken under the second-worst president in our countries history.

This tennis match is much better than Wimbledon. Back over the net to Iran.

What are you going to do now, PL?
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That sounds pretty solid; this wasn't a guy who goes boots on ground for some student rabble. This was a guy who has a plan he's going to execute.
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CSB, excellent summation, there must be some sunnies in the hierarchy, the timing was spot on for the shot.
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So how is this elected official not being investigated/arrested/censured?


"The time for violence is now"

Did this thing just inspire our enemies to commit acts of violence against the United States

??

Preemptive apologies if this is ground already covered.
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So how is this elected official not being investigated/arrested/censured?

"The time for violence is now"

Did this thing just inspire our enemies to commit acts of violence against the United States

Preemptive apologies if this is ground already covered.
Haven’t you been told...nothing to see here just move along serf.
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So how is this elected official not being investigated/arrested/censured?
She has a district that elected her; comprises most of Minneapolis or, as we refer to it around here (couple hundred miles away), Mogadishu-North. Demographics are 63% white; 17% black; 6% Asian; 9% Hispanic; 1% Native American; 4% other.
Proof that, as Ol' Remus says, "Diversity is Stockholm Syndrome writ large."

They're very good about patting themselves on the back for doing such wonderful things like electing someone like her. But, hey, lots of Starbucks, so.... That district used to be surveyed as the 4th worst place for black Americans to live but now they have achieved the championship and are Numero Uno on that list. That place is a whole 'nuther world if you get out of your car in the wrong part of town.
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She has a district that elected her; comprises most of Minneapolis or, as we refer to it around here (couple hundred miles away), Mogadishu-North.
Non-assimilation seems to be a trait of Somali areas across the US. I have heard one in my area, a former project, actually has armed guards at the entrance.
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Are you guys sure that is was she actually posted?





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Democrats Call For Flags To Be Flown At Half-Mast To Grieve Death Of Soleimani

Just the idea that a slew of mouth breathers thought this was a real news story put a smile on my face.

https://babylonbee.com/news/democrat...h-of-soleimani
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Just the idea that a slew of mouth breathers thought this was a real news story put a smile on my face.

https://babylonbee.com/news/democrat...h-of-soleimani
LMAO. That was particularly well-written.
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