Secret Service agents tried faking a warrant.

[YM Cating]

Or rather they tried to get a local PD to fake a warrant. However some very upstanding police officers said that they wouldn't be a part of that and left the scene and reported it. The Chief of Police tried to file a complaint with the Secret Service and it fell upon deaf ears. Since then, he's written a letter to congress which has attracted a lot of attention. He's also told all his officers that they need permission directly from the top brass before assisting any secret service personnel. This is a damn fine humanbeing and a damn fine cop.

Now if only we could get police departments and sheriff departments to go ahead and arrest Federal agents who have broken or attempted to break the law and violate the constitution.

http://benswann.com/oath-upheld-nash...vice-request-f

[Mustang Man]

Very bitter sweet moment in all of this. Bitter as in we continue to see outrageous issues like this and sweet to know there are officers out there that are not intimidated by SS agents and still have their integrity.

For crying out loud though, how many more issues with SS will it take for our government to actually do something about them?! I'm starting to have more faith in mall cops than the SS.

[Five-O]

I have worked closely with the USSS in both a protection role (CAT team member) for POTUS & VP and in multiple currency fraud (counterfeit) investigation(s). I can say from personal experience they are very comptetent in their protection role but I found them lacking and lazy in their investigation skill set.

I won't go into detail but the USSS completely blew an extremely promissing currency fraud operation I uncovered involving some rather unpleasant Prislam gentlemen. I will allow that they guy I targeted as a suspect could have been working with the USSS or FBI as a snitch however; every time I have been in that particular situation, I'll get a wink and a nod a very politely asked to back off. That didnt happen in this case...just laziness and institutional apathy from USSS supervisors.

I hope this "fake warrant" issue is just one agent being lazy and not a course of conduct within the USSS. The lack of follow up (according to the article) from USSS HQ is concerning.

[Badger52]

Frankly, probably would've heard nothing about it had not the man at his home stood his ground in the first place. Hat-tip to him.

[PedOncoDoc]

Originally Posted by Badger52

Frankly, probably would've heard nothing about it had not the man at his home stood his ground in the first place. Hat-tip to him.

Thankfully this episode didn't escalate, with much thanks to the local LEOs. I can see a few different ways this could've resulted in a bad outcome.

[Streck-Fu]

Originally Posted by Badger52

Frankly, probably would've heard nothing about it had not the man at his home stood his ground in the first place. Hat-tip to him.

Or what would have been reported:

A man being investigated by the Secret Service for making threats against President Obama was shot to death today when investigative agents went to his home and he answered the door armed.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

Or:

A man being investigated by the Secret Service for making threats against President Obama was shot to death today when investigative agents went to his home and he answered the door armed.

Surely you jest..... the Secret Service abilities are right up there with the ATF tactical teams, FBI SWAT and Dept of Education SWAT team......

The Secret Service recently lied about how far Omar Jose Gonzalez penetrated their security, that he over powered a Secret Service agent and ran deep into the White House. And he was a "crazy" guy, just imagine if he was a "criminal or crusader" executing a well planned mission......imagine more than one crusader on a mission for allah that targets the White House. Tell me you going to give chase to a guy wearing a bomb vest and tackle him? Don't have to as a Secret Service agent, you can just quit......

That "White House Down" movie might not be far from real.

But then again it's nothing I do not already expect from the current administration. I sincerely believe there's no one left in many of the "armed" federal agencies that still possess their integrity. Lying and corruption seems to be the "new" standard operating procedure.

Let's count the federal agencies that have not been involved in lying, corruption and cover-ups in the past six years.... Let's start with the Dept of Justice, (Dohhhhh, facepalm), ok bad idea.......

I do love it when the lying, corrupt left-wing democrats/progressives/socialists worry about "domestic terrorism"..... This is how domestic terrorists are born, through government corruption, government lying and government cover-ups.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

Or:

A man being investigated by the Secret Service for making threats against President Obama was shot to death today when investigative agents went to his home and he answered the door armed.

Such a media report wouldn't be unusual in those circumstances. Those genuflecting in front of the regime's zipper will paint the picture that serves the continued filling of their rice bowl - in a country where a shotgun, deer rifle & a .22 is an "arsenal" and a brick of 22 LR or a case of 5.56mm is a "stockpile."

Regardless of what his FB content might've been, would be nice if the occasion of someone answering their door to strangers, armed to protect their home, and having the presence of mind to simply deny access in the absence of a warrant didn't need to be celebrated. Good for him and the local Peace Officers who got dragged into that goat-rope.

[tom kelly]

The Armed Federal Agencies with Police Power to Arrest have turned into community organizers with Guns, a bloated Bureaucracies with poor leadership from the top on down. If these "Administrator's and Director's were not in the Federal Gov. Where would they be?????? tom kelly

[YM Cating]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Surely you jest..... the Secret Service abilities are right up there with the ATF tactical teams, FBI SWAT and Dept of Education SWAT team......

The Secret Service recently lied about how far Omar Jose Gonzalez penetrated their security, that he over powered a Secret Service agent and ran deep into the White House. And he was a "crazy" guy, just imagine if he was a "criminal or crusader" executing a well planned mission......imagine more than one crusader on a mission for allah that targets the White House. Tell me you going to give chase to a guy wearing a bomb vest and tackle him? Don't have to as a Secret Service agent, you can just quit......

That "White House Down" movie might not be far from real.

But then again it's nothing I do not already expect from the current administration. I sincerely believe there's no one left in many of the "armed" federal agencies that still possess their integrity. Lying and corruption seems to be the "new" standard operating procedure.

Let's count the federal agencies that have not been involved in lying, corruption and cover-ups in the past six years.... Let's start with the Dept of Justice, (Dohhhhh, facepalm), ok bad idea.......

I do love it when the lying, corrupt left-wing democrats/progressives/socialists worry about "domestic terrorism"..... This is how domestic terrorists are born, through government corruption, government lying and government cover-ups.

Ya know it's scary, about 2 years ago I had a late night discussion with a former SS agent. He said he left because they were lowering the bar to the point he couldn't trust his fellow agents to have his back. I think that speaks volumes, considering it's an agency who's sole purpose is watching the presidents back. Every agent should be able to trust each other, they're supposed to be the best in the world at security and yet good agents leave because they can't trust the men next to them.

On another note, that movie "Olympus Has Fallen." I watched it, and for most of it I was laughing my ass off at how crazy it was, I thought "couldn't happen, not in a million years." Granted, most of it still couldn't, but I could see 30 "casual DC tourists" hopping the fence with AK-74's under their jackets, unzipping, and going to town. If each one had a suicide vest on, linked to remote detonation. Well you'd have a serious mess. No matter what you'd make a big statement.

It's a funny thing. There was an episode of the Andy Griffith show a long time, episode 227, called “Tape Recorder.”



"In this episode, Sheriff Andy locks up a Mister Eddie Blake, a suspected bank robber, played by Herbie Faye, who was brought in for questioning by a State Trooper. Opie’s friend, Arnold, played by Sheldon Collins, just got a new tape-recorder from his father. So Opie and Arnold get the bright idea to bug the cell, recording a conversation between Blake and his lawyer.

The boys listen to the recording and hear Blake confessing to his lawyer about the robbery and then to try, unsuccessfully, to bribe his lawyer with the money he hid in an old, dry well.

Opie runs to his Pa, Sheriff Taylor, with the tape-recorded conversation.

Opie bursts in, agitated and breathless, saying, “Pa! Pa! We hid it near the cell window…” and hands Sheriff Andy the tape recorder. “Wait a minute, wait a minute, what is it, Opie? What are you taking about?” asks Andy.

“We bugged Mr. Blake’s cell!” exclaims Opie. “You what?” responds Sheriff Andy. “We bugged the cell with Arnold’s tape recorder, just listen to this, Pa!” Opie says. “I can’t listen to that!” exclaims Andy, rather indignantly. “But Pa…” says Opie.

Interrupting Opie, Andy says, “I can’t listen to that, I’m not permitted!” “But, Pa, you don’t understand,” pleads Opie. “Now, I can’t listen to this! Now, I told you about eavesdropping…” says Andy. “But Pa, this is different…” says Opie. “Yes, it’s worse! You overheard a conversation that was supposed to be private. Now I can’t be a party to that!” says the good Sheriff Taylor. “But Pa, if you just listen to this…”

At that moment Andy pushes the erase button. “Pa, you’re erasing the tape!” cries Opie. “That what I mean to do! You bugged a conversation between a lawyer and his client. Now that’s violating one of the most sacred rights of privacy!” explains Andy. “But Pa…” cries Opie. “No buts!” says Andy. “But if it helps the law?” pleads Opie.

“***Opie, the law can’t use this kind of help because whether a man is guilty or innocent, we have to find that out by due process of law.***”"

Now-a-days you can't watch a cop show where they don't encourage this crap, where they don't try and intimidate someone, or 'wave a piece of paper around and call it a warrant.' Sure there's always been corruption but it's never been so celebrated and encouraged.

Take care gent's

[SouthernDZ]

Originally Posted by tom kelly

The Armed Federal Agencies with Police Power to Arrest have turned into community organizers with Guns, a bloated Bureaucracies with poor leadership from the top on down. If these "Administrator's and Director's were not in the Federal Gov. Where would they be?????? tom kelly

I did some instruction for WRAIR in Maryland, west of the beltway at the postal service HQ. Did you know they have an emergency response team that would outgun most municipal SWAT orgs? Why in the hell does the post office need a force-entry team? No one could answer the question for me.

[Streck-Fu]

Originally Posted by SouthernDZ

Why in the hell does the post office need a force-entry team? No one could answer the question for me.

To protect the customers from the employees?

[miclo18d]

Originally Posted by YM Cating

Ya know it's scary, about 2 years ago I had a late night discussion with a former SS agent. He said he left because they were lowering the bar to the point he couldn't trust his fellow agents to have his back. I think that speaks volumes, considering it's an agency who's sole purpose is watching the presidents back. Every agent should be able to trust each other, they're supposed to be the best in the world at security and yet good agents leave because they can't trust the men next to them.

On another note, that movie "Olympus Has Fallen." I watched it, and for most of it I was laughing my ass off at how crazy it was, I thought "couldn't happen, not in a million years." Granted, most of it still couldn't, but I could see 30 "casual DC tourists" hopping the fence with AK-74's under their jackets, unzipping, and going to town. If each one had a suicide vest on, linked to remote detonation. Well you'd have a serious mess. No matter what you'd make a big statement.

It's a funny thing. There was an episode of the Andy Griffith show a long time, episode 227, called “Tape Recorder.”



"In this episode, Sheriff Andy locks up a Mister Eddie Blake, a suspected bank robber, played by Herbie Faye, who was brought in for questioning by a State Trooper. Opie’s friend, Arnold, played by Sheldon Collins, just got a new tape-recorder from his father. So Opie and Arnold get the bright idea to bug the cell, recording a conversation between Blake and his lawyer.

The boys listen to the recording and hear Blake confessing to his lawyer about the robbery and then to try, unsuccessfully, to bribe his lawyer with the money he hid in an old, dry well.

Opie runs to his Pa, Sheriff Taylor, with the tape-recorded conversation.

Opie bursts in, agitated and breathless, saying, “Pa! Pa! We hid it near the cell window…” and hands Sheriff Andy the tape recorder. “Wait a minute, wait a minute, what is it, Opie? What are you taking about?” asks Andy.

“We bugged Mr. Blake’s cell!” exclaims Opie. “You what?” responds Sheriff Andy. “We bugged the cell with Arnold’s tape recorder, just listen to this, Pa!” Opie says. “I can’t listen to that!” exclaims Andy, rather indignantly. “But Pa…” says Opie.

Interrupting Opie, Andy says, “I can’t listen to that, I’m not permitted!” “But, Pa, you don’t understand,” pleads Opie. “Now, I can’t listen to this! Now, I told you about eavesdropping…” says Andy. “But Pa, this is different…” says Opie. “Yes, it’s worse! You overheard a conversation that was supposed to be private. Now I can’t be a party to that!” says the good Sheriff Taylor. “But Pa, if you just listen to this…”

At that moment Andy pushes the erase button. “Pa, you’re erasing the tape!” cries Opie. “That what I mean to do! You bugged a conversation between a lawyer and his client. Now that’s violating one of the most sacred rights of privacy!” explains Andy. “But Pa…” cries Opie. “No buts!” says Andy. “But if it helps the law?” pleads Opie.

“***Opie, the law can’t use this kind of help because whether a man is guilty or innocent, we have to find that out by due process of law.***”"

Now-a-days you can't watch a cop show where they don't encourage this crap, where they don't try and intimidate someone, or 'wave a piece of paper around and call it a warrant.' Sure there's always been corruption but it's never been so celebrated and encouraged.

Take care gent's

Then the FBI came to Opie, seized the tape without a warrant, reconstructed the recording, and legally used it to convict Eddie Blake and his lawyer under the FISA/USATRIOT court system for conspiracy to commit terrorism!

[miclo18d]

Originally Posted by SouthernDZ

I did some instruction for WRAIR in Maryland, west of the beltway at the postal service HQ. Did you know they have an emergency response team that would outgun most municipal SWAT orgs? Why in the hell does the post office need a force-entry team? No one could answer the question for me.

After the Branch Davidian raid and how badly the ATF SWAT team botched the job, I thought, "Geez, does everyone have a SWAT Team now?" So I came up with a USPS SWAT Team called V.E.R.T. Vandalism Emergency Response Team. I wanted to do up a T-shirt with 2 USPS guys in shorts and ski masks pulling out SMGs from their delivery bags. And Cliff Claven from Cheers saying something smart azz on the back.

I guess it isn't so funny now

[MR2]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Surely you jest..... the Secret Service abilities are right up there with the ATF tactical teams, FBI SWAT and Dept of Education SWAT team......

The Secret Service recently lied about how far Omar Jose Gonzalez penetrated their security, that he over powered a Secret Service agent and ran deep into the White House. And he was a "crazy" guy, just imagine if he was a "criminal or crusader" executing a well planned mission......imagine more than one crusader on a mission for allah that targets the White House. Tell me you going to give chase to a guy wearing a bomb vest and tackle him? Don't have to as a Secret Service agent, you can just quit......

That "White House Down" movie might not be far from real.

But then again it's nothing I do not already expect from the current administration. I sincerely believe there's no one left in many of the "armed" federal agencies that still pkossess their integrity. Lying and corruption seems to be the "new" standard operating procedure.

Let's count the federal agencies that have not been involved in lying, corruption and cover-ups in the past six years.... Let's start with the Dept of Justice, (Dohhhhh, facepalm), ok bad idea.......

I do love it when the lying, corrupt left-wing democrats/progressives/socialists worry about "domestic terrorism"..... This is how domestic terrorists are born, through government corruption, government lying and government cover-ups.

That's an awfully broad brush you're waving around my friend.