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Old 01-23-2010, 22:20   #121
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If you’re willing, let’s do an informal test with your friends – I’m curious to find out what happens.

Nothing over-the-top. Just greet them with the traditional greeting among Muslims.

“as-Salamu ‘alaykum.”

Then listen closely to their response.


Here’s why, Reliance of the Traveller states:

P75.28 “By him in whose hand is my soul, none of you will enter paradise until you believe, and none of you will believe until you love each other.
Shall I not tell you of something which if you do it will create love among you?
Increase the custom of greeting each other with ‘as-Salmu ‘alaykum.’”


If they give you an “as-Salamu ‘alaykum,” great – you have real friends.

I suspect what you’ll hear is “alaykum as-Salamu.” Or some other variant like “Wa ‘alaykum” or simply “alaykum.”

Why?

Because it’s the law.


O11.5 “Such non-Muslim subjects are obliged to comly with Islamic rules that pertain to the safety and indemnity of life, reputation and property. In addition:

(3) “are not greeted with ‘as-Salamu ‘alaykum.”


R33.2 “…Scholars disagree about greeting non-Muslims with ‘as-Salamu ‘alaykum’ or returning their Salams. We hold that it is unlawful to say it to them first, though it is obligatory to return their greetings by saying ‘Wa ‘alaykum’ (and upon you), or simply, “Alaykum.’ Other scholars hold it is permissible to greet them first with ‘as-Salamu ‘alaykum’ "

R 32.6 A male “…should not …greet her with “as-Salamu ‘alaykum” (A: which is unlawful in the Shafi’I school) nor return her Salams if she says them.”


Just read through this whole thread...

I never noticed this before, my company (software & technology) I deal with a lot of muslims and sometimes (although not as much since coming back from AFG) I will greet them and they DO respond with “alaykum as-Salamu.”

I need to watch closer when they greet each other now...great thread folks...
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Old 01-23-2010, 23:02   #122
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In 2004, he said that a terror attack on the British soil was "a matter of time"; following the 7 July 2005 London bombings, he refused to condemn the atrocities. He glorified the perpetrators of 9/11 atrocity as the ‘Magnificent Martyrs.’
Theologically speaking, it’s sad to note Qur’anic doctrine backs Anjem Chaudary’s position.

Sure, there are those, especially folks like CAIR, MSA, ISNA, POTUS, and western apologists who will quote the Qur’an, and say that it teaches : “…whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind.” (Sura 5:32) - yet fail to mention where this concept diverges and that innocent lives in the context above applies only to Muslims, not the non-Muslim.

In context, the Qur’an goes on to say: “The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;” (Sura 5:33).

Those who “strive after corruption in the land”, including Muslim and non-Muslim alike are guilty, and should be killed. Corruption in the land, or mischief on earth, is a huge category of offenses that go against Islam with the main offense being that of disbelief.

And as for those who disbelieved (it will be said unto them): Were not Our revelations recited unto you? But ye were scornful and became a guilty folk.” (Sura 45:31)
(83:29, 25:55, 16:27, 2:91, 2:99,98:6, 8:55, 2:65-66, 5:58-60, 7:166,...to name a few)

The above explains why Anjem Chaudary said what he said during his notorious interview, in which he had Islamic doctrine backing his convictions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4


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Anjem wants Sharia implemented in UK. He wants to dismantle the democratic system and replace it with Islamic law and Jurisprudence.
It appears Sharia Courts have gotten out of hand in Britain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIrtNoxpxw

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Old 01-24-2010, 09:51   #123
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Theologically speaking, it’s sad to note Qur’anic doctrine backs Anjem Chaudary’s position.
Good post. I would just point out that instead of theologically speaking, you could say LEGALLY speaking. This is a legal framework from which they operate...
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