08-30-2004, 22:56
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What would I need to do in order for you to make me a copy, that is if you are willing?
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08-30-2004, 23:03
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Can't. When he gave them to me I promised I wouldn't. That was 9 years ago. he hasn't released me from the promise and I haven't copied them. Sorry.
http://www.paladin-press.com/detail.aspx?ID=360
This is the same thing from what I understand. He probably added some stuff since its 4 now. Is this the one you have?
TS- this isn't really defensive, I don't know why they called it that. It is very offensive shooting. LOL
I want the others, especially the baton.
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08-30-2004, 23:10
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We (my department) had the 4 volume series with him shooting the Glock 17 or 19. If I remember correctly, tape 4 dealt with transitioning to a folder on a malfunction or when empty. We had the tapes probably 3-4 months before somebody walked off with them. I never had a chance to make copies. 
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08-30-2004, 23:14
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He carries a 19. The link above looks like the same ones you're talking about.
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08-30-2004, 23:19
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No, those aren't the ones. They were yellow cases I believe and he wore one of those "photographers" jackets the whole time.
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08-31-2004, 11:09
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NDD, what was edited from the original tapes when they went public?
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08-31-2004, 11:19
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I don't know Razor, as I've never seen the public ones. Probably nothing. Since I have 3 and the public one is 4, the reverse is probably true. There is no transition to knife on mine for example.
Either way, its all you need to know about Glock combat shooting.
Kelly doesn't bullshit around when it comes to putting his name on stuff, so I'm sure they are great. I really want the baton one, the boy is a wizard with an ASP.
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08-31-2004, 12:15
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Along with the Grover/McCann work, is the Carl Cestari tapes. They are "vintage" in terms of video production quality, but are outstanding in terms of content.
Cestari espouses a "self-offensive" brutal direct approach. It's not so much the "techniques" -- i.e. axehands, chin-jabs -- but the doctrine of pre-emptive striking and over-whelming force. Cestari's use of the "drop-step" is an "all terrain" approach to footwork.
McCann delves into HTH/weapons integration; Cestari has backgrounds in bare-knuckle boxing, and combative chokes. I think they compliment each other nicely.
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08-31-2004, 20:53
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Re: Does your self defense work?
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I train 4 to 5 times a week for at least 2 hours. How often do you train at whatever you do? Are you confident it works? Why?
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Not trying to start a pissing contest:
I train five days a week, four to six hours a day (I'm a pro). I'm confident it works because I've used it in the ring and in the cage. For "real world" situations, nothing but a few scraps in high school and one or two clashes on the street. Escapes all situations unscathed.. guess it works.
But I'll defer to QRQ 30, I think he put it best.
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08-31-2004, 22:01
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LOL - why would that start a pissing contest? Welcome aboard.
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08-31-2004, 23:20
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Hey, I'm just trying not to step on anyone's toes around here. 
Thanks for the welcome, NDD.
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09-01-2004, 07:04
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Re: Does your self defense work?
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Per NDD's orders . . .
How do you know your self defense will work?
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'Cause I'm still alive.
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11-23-2004, 20:10
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why
NousDefionsDoc,
I'm new and still screening the topics. Pardon me for my curiousity.
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
Didn't hurt a bit did it?
I tried to teach myself Tai Chi from a video tape, but I kept hurting my neck from looking over my should at the screen.
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I wonder why a real operator study taichi? Is it out of curiosity or is there any tactical function?
I spent my early youth with taichi, wushu, TKD, and wing-chun for years....long story short, over the years I've switched to more effective quick-to-learn skill.
Right now I'm training WC, Teukgong Moosul (SK SF combat) with Jiujutsu grappling as supplement. So I've abandoned "soft" art like tai chi for a while. Since you seem to have interest in it, what's your take on that art/skill?
Last edited by frostfire; 11-23-2004 at 20:12.
Reason: correcting quote func
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11-23-2004, 20:17
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I use it for a warm up, not for fighting. It relaxes me. I trained a little with Mr. Chin a long time ago. Posted for hours. Then he got sick and we deployed...etc.
I think Tai Chi is great for the joints. Besides, its one of the few arts that my Oakleys don't fall off when I'm doing it.
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11-23-2004, 20:21
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Oh, you added in! Sneaky little devil aren't you?
I can think of a couple of skills Tai Chi adds - how about a Sniper moving into position? Very slow, deliberate movements with complete body control and maybe some significant flexibility requirements, around deadfalls, etc. The pushing movements could be beneficial in CQB.
Ever tried Tai Chi under a table?
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