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Old 02-15-2018, 12:39   #16
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Where's our right to speedy justice?

There's a judiciary element in this mess that will probably be harder to resolve than how to discover and lock up the crazies: If a sick or twisted person is reported to any agency because they have made idle threats and expressed wild imaginings on FB or on campus as this maniac did, how long will it take to get to a judge off his/her pompous ass, and how long will it take the judge before action can be taken? Our judiciary system stinks to high heaven. Ambulance chasers can tie up ANY issue for years under the guise of protecting the privacy or the rights of their client, and I personally don't think they give a shit. People know how worthless the courts are in dispensing justice. Right now all an atheist group has to do is send a letter to a high school whining about one word in a graduation ceremony to terrify the school into making sweeping changes. They aren't afraid of the atheist but they are terrified of the lousy courts! The 6th Amendment guarantees right to a speedy trial, but what guarantees the public's right to speedy justice and protection? Our entire judiciary and lawyer profession should be ashamed of themselves. It permeates not only the judiciary but the legislature. Imagine if all the lawyers in Congress were fired. (Be still my beating heart!) In practice the lawyers and judges do not enable justice, rather that gaggle of pond scum focuses on getting rich, and justice be damned. JMHO. (End rant.)
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Old 02-15-2018, 21:56   #17
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JFC....LINK

A tragedy years in the making combined with psych drugs....the guardians let him walk out with the gun on a school day...


Stupid people have been doing stupid things for thousands of years. You think that's going to change anytime soon?

Makes me very sad every time innocent people, especially children, are murdered by a spineless coward.
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:17   #18
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Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel made pointed comments on gun control, saying, "If you are an elected official and you want to keep things the way they are and not do things differently, if you wanna keep the gun laws as they are now -- you will not get re-elected in Broward County."(ABC News)
Let’s also hope that Sheriff Scott Israel (an elected official) is out of a job too saying nonsense like this.

(Correction) Wasn’t it just reported that ‘Parkland’ was the “SAFEST CITY IN FLORIDA.” What changed?
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:38   #19
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I wonder what the oath of office contains for his position. Does he swear and affirm to support what ever popular position is necessary to endure re-election? That replaced support and defend the Constitution and ensure public peace?
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Old 02-16-2018, 10:00   #20
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This is a gut wrenching read (amazingly from the The Washington Post) armed with only a radio a school staffer saw the shooter before the shooting started and knew that the shooter wasn’t supposed to be on school campus; especially with a backpack. Only the person he or she called on the radio wasn’t the person to hit the panic button.

‘Code Red!’ Despite preparations, no one was ready for what happened at Douglas High. - The Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...e81_story.html

Change radio for pistol and the outcome of this event reads very different. (“In Florida today a school massacre was averted by the quick actions of an armed school staffer who encountered a former student who was armed with an ‘assault weapon’ and hundreds of rounds of ammunition.” The student dropped his bags and fled from the school without a shot fired. Police later arrested the student who has a history of mental illness and family issues. Thank goodness for this alert teacher who was paying attention at the last threat awareness briefing six-weeks ago and chose to carry their weapon today.)
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Old 02-16-2018, 10:20   #21
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If anti-gun people get their way:

Headlines February 15, 2020
In another senseless school mass battery acid attack, 17 students were blinded and 3 died as a result of their injuries.
Mom's Demand Action spokesperson Shannon Watts release the following statement: "The battery companies must be held responsible for these horrible attacks upon our children. There is no reason in 2020 that batteries must still be available that contain dangerous materials that can be used to kill our children."

Nope, you still don't get to take away our guns.
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Old 02-16-2018, 10:52   #22
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^^^naw they will have to ban pressure cookers from home economics and potluck lunches before they solve little Jonny Rotten-Appleseed from killing his classmates with a gun.

As one writer recently posted in the news - thank God these shooters continue to arm themselves with the AR-15...there are weapons more destructive and just as easy to acquire out there.
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Old 02-16-2018, 11:31   #23
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It is difficult in the aftermath of the Parkland, FL shooting to have to come up with such a stance, but the collectivist left leaves no alternative. No, we will not give up our guns, not now, not if you have another hundred school shootings. Columbine was the worst school shooting in history nearly 19 years ago, 19! In the aftermath, while law enforcement stood about outside the building unsure of whether to enter, or where, or if the shooting was ongoing, America has still not solved the issue of school shootings.
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For cross thread points (FBI Conspiracy to Destroy America!) this is getting to be somewhat ridiculous.

September 2017 - Bail Bondsman calls FBI to report threat on his blog “I’m going to be a professional school shooter” Nikolas Cruz. FBI talks to source can’t backtrack IP address or run name against several databases without a hit or so many hits that it can’t identify Nikolas Cruz. Okay that’s plausible.

Even though Nikolas Cruz bought his first or another of several legally purchased firearms filling out a 4473 for each one within the past year. All approved by - the FBI.

Huh, the FBI owns that database!

Second, neighbor calls police who call FBI in January 2018 to report potential problems of aggression by person named Nikolas Cruz in Parkland, FL. No matches or hits in FBI database.

From other unconfirmed sources - the police were called to houses in which Nikolas Cruz lived on more than 36 occasions in past seven years.

Hmm?

Nikolas Cruz - kicked out of school and put on school RSOs watchlist. All school faculty notified that student poses ‘real and imminent threat to school’ report immediately if seen on school campus or with a backpack.

Nikolas Cruz - once a member of the Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps - now I don’t know someone with ROTC/JROTC experience help me. Is your name, SSN, DOB and other personal information entered into an Army Database when you join the program and/or removed from the program for mental or disciplinary reasons?

Back to FBI - needles in haystacks don’t need to prick you to make you all look incompetent these days. Maybe you should stop looking for DB Cooper and Anti-Muslim movie makers, or spending so much time allowing a criminal to go free while investigating people who had not committed a crime before you made them up.

JMO but this is in the YGTBSM category of incompetence on the FBIs part. Fort Lauderdale-Airport, Orlando-Nightclub, Boston-Bombers, Ft Hood-Maj Nidal, Benghazi, Clinton (both) so many others...

P.S. I normally don’t say the shooters name but in this instance I think it’s important to state the obvious. There is one Nikolas (Nicholas) Cruz that should have had a long discussion with someone in LE up to and including the FBI long before he was ‘allowed’ by a strange family in an adoption case to “keep a firearm locked up in a cabinet and possess the key.”
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Old 02-16-2018, 13:29   #25
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For cross thread points (FBI Conspiracy to Destroy America!) this is getting to be somewhat ridiculous.

September 2017 - Bail Bondsman calls FBI to report threat on his blog “I’m going to be a professional school shooter” Nikolas Cruz. FBI talks to source can’t backtrack IP address or run name against several databases without a hit or so many hits that it can’t identify Nikolas Cruz. Okay that’s plausible.

Even though Nikolas Cruz bought his first or another of several legally purchased firearms filling out a 4473 for each one within the past year. All approved by - the FBI.

Huh, the FBI owns that database!

Second, neighbor calls police who call FBI in January 2018 to report potential problems of aggression by person named Nikolas Cruz in Parkland, FL. No matches or hits in FBI database.

From other unconfirmed sources - the police were called to houses in which Nikolas Cruz lived on more than 36 occasions in past seven years.

Hmm?

Nikolas Cruz - kicked out of school and put on school RSOs watchlist. All school faculty notified that student poses ‘real and imminent threat to school’ report immediately if seen on school campus or with a backpack.

Nikolas Cruz - once a member of the Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps - now I don’t know someone with ROTC/JROTC experience help me. Is your name, SSN, DOB and other personal information entered into an Army Database when you join the program and/or removed from the program for mental or disciplinary reasons?

Back to FBI - needles in haystacks don’t need to prick you to make you all look incompetent these days. Maybe you should stop looking for DB Cooper and Anti-Muslim movie makers, or spending so much time allowing a criminal to go free while investigating people who had not committed a crime before you made them up.

JMO but this is in the YGTBSM category of incompetence on the FBIs part. Fort Lauderdale-Airport, Orlando-Nightclub, Boston-Bombers, Ft Hood-Maj Nidal, Benghazi, Clinton (both) so many others...

P.S. I normally don’t say the shooters name but in this instance I think it’s important to state the obvious. There is one Nikolas (Nicholas) Cruz that should have had a long discussion with someone in LE up to and including the FBI long before he was ‘allowed’ by a strange family in an adoption case to “keep a firearm locked up in a cabinet and possess the key.”
Based upon the lengths the FBI has gone to: 1. Not find any evidence of wrong doing by Hillary Rodham Clinton, and 2. Work like crazy to find any evidence of wrong doing by Donald J Trump; I would say the FBI is fully on board with the leftist progressive socialist agenda to bring down the United States and abolish the freedom and liberty of its citizens.
If we survive this shit, I hope the new "By the people, for the people" government will know better than to create a federal police and other spying agencies to oppress the freedom and liberty of the people.
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Old 02-16-2018, 16:29   #26
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Ban public schools.
Let private schools establish there own security and acceptance/expulsion standards.

No more school shootings.
It's not worth one life.
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Old 02-16-2018, 16:56   #27
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Ban public schools.
Let private schools establish there own security and acceptance/expulsion standards.

No more school shootings.
It's not worth one life.
How about if we just ban liberals thinking they know jackshit about security and psychology.

But I like the idea and the tax savings of making schools private and privately funded. Every American should be able to send their kids to a school like the Bushes and Obamas did, with Secret Service Agents watching over them.

Until then let’s let teachers, coaches, and the janitor exercise their 2A rights to defend themselves and others around them.
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I feel so bad for these kids. The brainwashing is so complete that they will miss seeing the forest for the trees.

They have been led to believe by the likes of Jimmy Kibbles and other elitist (protected by armed security 24/7) that if they protest loud enough and often enough that 241 years of history can be changed by the last “17” lives lost. So sad

If you want change, really really really want change...protest your local government to...incarcerate for life, institutionalize for life, or simply execute those who have no conscience or sense of purpose. And if you like that idea rank yourself right up there with the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao and the California insane asylums of the 1950 because they tried that too.

Our forefathers warned us of this so many years ago that one could honestly say nothing has changed only the time it takes to come full circle.
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Glad to see a portion of the letter we wrote back in 2013 re-posted in this thread.

I would like to opine that the dialog and subsequent debate today is much, much different than that in response to the Sandy Hook shooting that precipitated the letter in 2013. Look carefully at the points we raised. These are exactly the major points being discussed and appear to be becoming a consensus of the majority of the talking points that are gaining traction.

Can I prove that there is a direct cause and effect relationship? No.

But I can say the letter has been "quietly" distributed very broadly. Has it influenced the thinking and the subsequent discussion today? Maybe so.

That my friends is the MO of the "Quiet Professionals" and this is a typical outcome.

Plant some simple truth seeds, tend the garden, be diligent, and patient. Usually, the efforts will bear fruit.
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TJ, one can hope but I remain unconvinced that our letter has reached the people necessary for change.
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