Pics from Russian School Incident

[NousDefionsDoc]

http://www.goprocks.com/RussianVictims.html

[The Reaper]

Excellent Peters article about it:

TR

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/op...ists/28066.htm

I really like Peters and agree completely with what he wrote. However, I'm not sure Europe will get it. Le Figaro is reporting pretty much what happened, but then what? Just the usual condemnation.

In today's SvD (Svenska Dagbladet/Swedish Times) it is stated in clear text that "[...] this can only happen in Russia". SvD is the only right wing mainstream news paper here, but is usually objective.

Laila Freivalds, Swedish foreign minister
Foreign minister Laila Freivalds thinks that terrorists who use children as weapons have based all boundaries.
-You can't defend it in any way, says the foreign minister.
-I'm afraid that it can be a way to get maximum attention, fears Freivalds who doesn't want to express whether or not the Russian authorities ought to have acted differently.
Laila Freivalds believes that the drama is just one in a line that shows that nobody walks free from the effects of terrorism.
-The conflict needs a political solution, otherwise it might escalate, says Freivalds and adds that EU's criticism of the Russian government's policy on Chechnya still stands.

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Prime minister critical of Moscow
Prime minister Göran Persson yesterday commented the bloody solution to the hostage crisis.
-I feel rage and anger against terrorists who commit this type of acts [...] there is nothing that can defend this type of behavior.
-I take for granted that the Russian authorities have done what they could to save as many as possible of the hostages. Unfortunatelly, we now know that children have died and that is an devestating loss.
Sweden and the EU have criticised the Russian war and policy in Chechnya. Is there any reason to change that attitude?
-No, not the fundamental criticism [...] We're critical of the Russian Chechnian policy, but it doesn't make these types of acts righteous.

The US response and covering of the event was noted between the above ones.

On the page to the right the headline says "Putin feeds terrorism", with an article that goes on to explain 'why they're in this situation', and draws parallells to George W. Bush:
"The Russian president has, the same way as George W. Bush after September the 11th, had an attitude of "If you're not with me, you're against me"." (my emphasis)

Even the opinions of the Swedish Defense Institute goes on to explain the problems under these three headers:

1. Over reliance on military solutions.
2. No real negotiations.
3. Lack of respect for human lives.

While I know that Russia is not a saint, no criticism of the terrorists cause was printed, just the acts they led to.

I'd be very suprised if this leads to any European change of stance. Europe is too occupied with its imaginary existance as the concience of the world and to try to act as an authority on all subjects.

Just my .02

[mffjm8509]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Excellent Peters article about it:

TR

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/op...ists/28066.htm

The more I read Peters, the more I like him.

mp

[37F5V]

Well, he has asked those questions which need to be addressed. Where are the Muslim "leaders" of the world? Too busy having a "peaceful" time to bother with this? Have they nothing to say? Where are you, the Islamic leaders in the United States?? Have you nothing to say? You disgust me you despicable vermin.
Thank you for saying what needs to be said Mr. Peters.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Martin

I really like Peters and agree completely with what he wrote.

1. Over reliance on military solutions.
2. No real negotiations.
3. Lack of respect for human lives.

While I know that Russia is not a saint, no criticism of the terrorists cause was printed, just the acts they led to.

I'd be very suprised if this leads to any European change of stance. Europe is too occupied with its imaginary existance as the concience of the world and to try to act as an authority on all subjects.

Just my .02

Martin:

I guess we know why it is called the Stockholm Syndrome.

TR

[2VP]

Well this upstanding religious leader doesn't have a problem killing kids.
I bet this guy is on Britain's watch list if not already.
The more I learn about Islam the more I see how hypocritical these fanatics are.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...5/wosse705.xml

Cleric supports targeting children
By Rajeev Syal
(Filed: 05/09/2004)


An extremist Islamic cleric based in Britain said yesterday that he would support hostage-taking at British schools if carried out by terrorists with a just cause.



Omar Bakri Mohammed, the spiritual leader of the extremist sect al-Muhajiroun, said that holding women and children hostage would be a reasonable course of action for a Muslim who has suffered under British rule.

In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Mr Mohammed said: "If an Iraqi Muslim carried out an attack like that in Britain, it would be justified because Britain has carried out acts of terrorism in Iraq.

"As long as the Iraqi did not deliberately kill women and children, and they were killed in the crossfire, that would be okey."

Mr Mohammed, 44, who lives in Edmonton, north London, but is originally from Syria, also claimed that the Chechen rebels were not responsible for the deaths of more than 350 people - at least half of them children - who are so far known to have died in Beslan.

"The Mujahideen [Chechen rebels] would not have wanted to kill those people, because it is strictly forbidden as a Muslim to deliberately kill women and children. It is the fault of the Russians," he said.

The father of seven came to Britain in 1985 after being deported from Saudi Arabia because of his membership of a banned group. He has since been given leave by the Home Office to remain in Britain for five years but the Government is reviewing his status.

He gave an interview yesterday to promote a "celebratory" conference in London next Saturday to commemorate the third anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, was infuriated by Mr Mohammed's comments. "That sounds to me like incitement and I will report him to Scotland Yard," he said. "It is an insult to most moderate Muslims, who are sick of people like this claiming to represent them."

[Gypsy]

Sounds to me like this guy needs two to the head. What a twisted bastard.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by 2VP

Well this upstanding religious leader doesn't have a problem killing kids.
I bet this guy is on Britain's watch list if not already.
The more I learn about Islam the more I see how hypocritical these fanatics are.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...5/wosse705.xml

Cleric supports targeting children
By Rajeev Syal
(Filed: 05/09/2004)


An extremist Islamic cleric based in Britain said yesterday that he would support hostage-taking at British schools if carried out by terrorists with a just cause.

I read that article this morning, with utter disgust. I’m sure we (the United States) also have islamic clerics that profess the same beliefs. (Religious tolerance is wonderful.)

TS

[Doc]

http://www.hkpro.com/hkembassy.htm

Two words; Princess Gate.

Doc

[2VP]

TS I would bet the farm on it. Sometimes racial profiling doesn't look so bad.

[Bravo1-3]

Excellent article.

[Guy]

Originally Posted by 2VP

TS I would bet the farm on it. Sometimes racial profiling doesn't look so bad.

Does that make me a racist?

I wonder how far this is supposed to be interpreted.

Originally Posted by Nikolaj Sadchikov, Russian ambassador in Stockholm, SvD 07Sep04, page 5

[...] It is without doubt an agony for those behind the plans for a sustainment of the instability in Chechnya and therefore they don't stop to financially and morally support the Chechnyan "resistance".

In relation to this, I want to reiterate the lesson the Taliban regime of Afghanistan ought to have taught us. The Talibans were brought to power with support from certain outer forces with concrete aims. We know today what this led to.

Those within the EU who wonder how the terror acts could happen, should instead think about "the policy of double moral".

[EDIT: Corrected the date for the article.]

[Ambush Master]

We need to go ahead and take the steps to establish that "Radical Islam" is itself a form of "Government" and therefore a True State!!! Then, go after them and take down the leadership and ALL followers !!