10-23-2014, 17:16
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Maybe the problem is having to play college ball (or whatever sport) in order to get into the pros.
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You don't, if you are good enough.
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10-23-2014, 18:36
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You don't, if you are good enough.
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Both the NBA and the NFL won't allow it's members to draft or sign a player out of HS. The NBA has a one year window from the time you graduate HS until your eligible to play in the league and the NFL's is three. Basketball players can play in the d league or Europe for a year if they want but there really is no avenue for football players.
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10-23-2014, 18:45
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Both the NBA and the NFL won't allow it's members to draft or sign a player out of HS. The NBA has a one year window from the time you graduate HS until your eligible to play in the league and the NFL's is three. Basketball players can play in the d league or Europe for a year if they want but there really is no avenue for football players.
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So what about Lebron James...?
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10-23-2014, 19:00
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So what about Lebron James...?
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They put the rule in place in 2006.
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11-26-2014, 04:41
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UNC identifies one disciplined employee in grade fraud investigation
UNC identifies one disciplined employee in grade fraud investigation
http://www.fayobserver.com/news/stat...8a892ecca.html
"...The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill responded to a public records request with a document showing that Jaimie Lee lost her $39,000-a-year academic counseling job the same day the report was published last month....."
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11-26-2014, 09:24
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Looks like UNC found a low-level scapegoat.
No one in a position of leadership, to include coaches, will be held accountable.
Ignore the man behind the curtain....
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11-26-2014, 13:05
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I believe that more heads will roll, the process requires more time. It's extremely unlikely that a coach could have created a phoney class.
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12-22-2014, 10:13
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I believe that more heads will roll, the process requires more time. It's extremely unlikely that a coach could have created a phoney class.
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IMHO that is irrelevant, the university as a whole is at fault. Wins should be vacated for this, and it goes all the way back to the Dean Smith era. If you (the coach) have an athlete that barely gets into the program due to insufficient grades, reading comprehension, etc., and then they excel at a school such as UNC, and you don't ask any questions, then it's all about plausible deniability. It's one thing for it to happen at Auburn or Western Illinois (just 2 examples, if anyone went to these schools don't freak out), but UNC isn't a slouch school (in some areas). If I were an alum I would be pretty pissed about all this. Of course NC State alumni are laughing pretty good right now, as are Duke, mostly because they haven't been caught yet.
Sad part is the person in charge of investigating this stuff at the NCAA level is from UNC's athletic program administration, and was in power during the "alleged" period of infraction(s). Given that the system is broken, this is just going to be another footnote in a long list of issues that have happened and will continue to happen. When you take kids that are good/great athletes but poor academics, you are running a fine line in terms of academic risk. Why do you think there are "University Studies" majors now? Most of these kids won't make it in the professional leagues, and will be stuck with a degree that doesn't mean a damn thing, and no real knowledge to use from those years of "studying". Hell, if they took a sports statistics course they would know only about 1% of all college athletes make it professionally.
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12-22-2014, 13:01
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Somewhat off topic, but not too far and interesting to ponder.
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Here’s the New Way Colleges Are Predicting Student Grades
Time, 10 Dec 2014
For years, Stephanie Dupaul would jokingly consult her collection of Magic 8 Balls when students asked her questions such as, “Will I get an A in that class?” Now, she can give them an answer far more accurate than anything predicted by a toy fortune-teller.
Dupaul, the associate provost for enrollment management at Southern Methodist University, is one of a growing number of university administrators consulting the performance data of former students to predict the outcomes of current ones. The little-known effort is being quietly employed by about 125 schools around the U.S., and often includes combing years of data covering millions of grades earned by thousands of former students.
It’s the same kind of process tech behemoths like Amazon and Google employ to predict the buying behavior of consumers. And many of the universities and colleges that are applying it have seen impressive declines in the number of students who drop out, and increases in the proportion who graduate.
(Cont'd) http://time.com/3621228/college-data...duation-rates/
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12-22-2014, 13:23
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The meat of it
The meat of it...
"...It works by identifying risk patterns that can help catch students before they fall. For example, Georgia State’s data shows that students’ grades in the first course in their majors can predict whether or not they will graduate. Eighty-five percent of political science majors who get an A or B will earn degrees, but only 25% of those who score a C or lower will.
“What we used to do, and what other universities do, is let the C student go along until it was too late to help them,” says Timothy Renick, Georgia State’s vice president for enrollment management and student success. “Now we have a flag that goes off as soon as we spot a C in the first course.”..."
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01-23-2015, 06:25
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2 ex-UNC athletes sue school
2 ex-UNC athletes sue school, NCAA over academic failures
http://www.fayobserver.com/sports/co...083a14caf.html
"DURHAM, N.C.- Two former University of North Carolina athletes have filed a lawsuit against the school and the NCAA, saying neither has done enough to ensure athletes receive a quality education...."
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"...“Instead, the NCAA sat idly by, permitting big-time college sports programs to operate as diploma mills that compromise educational opportunities and the future job prospects of student-athletes for the sake of wins and revenues,” the lawsuit states...."
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01-23-2015, 06:39
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2 ex-UNC athletes sue school, NCAA over academic failures
http://www.fayobserver.com/sports/co...083a14caf.html
"DURHAM, N.C.- Two former University of North Carolina athletes have filed a lawsuit against the school and the NCAA, saying neither has done enough to ensure athletes receive a quality education...."
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"...“Instead, the NCAA sat idly by, permitting big-time college sports programs to operate as diploma mills that compromise educational opportunities and the future job prospects of student-athletes for the sake of wins and revenues,” the lawsuit states...."
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06-05-2015, 05:20
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NCAA hits UNC with 5 violations in wake of academic scandal
NCAA hits UNC with 5 violations in wake of academic scandal
http://www.fayobserver.com/sports/nc...8f6d07953.html
"North Carolina’s long-running academic fraud scandal now includes five NCAA charges, including a lack of institutional control for poor oversight of an academic department popular with athletes and the counselors who advised them.
The school released a 59-page notice of allegations Thursday from the NCAA, which uses the document to specify violations uncovered during an investigation. The charges were more broad-based than focused on individual sports, with the NCAA regarding academic irregularities in the formerly named African and Afro-American (AFAM) Studies department as potential improper benefits by saying athletes received access to courses and other assistance generally unavailable to non-athletes....."
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06-05-2015, 09:25
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Goodness! Academic fraud in college sports? What's next? Cats and dogs cohabiting?
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