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Old 12-29-2019, 12:35   #61
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“ Not that long ago - waaay waaay back” another author, Thomas Paine, wrote a series of pamphlets called “The American Crisis”.
https://www.ushistory.org/paine/crisis/

December 23, 1776

THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph...

The Battle of Trenton AKA Washington Crossing the Delaware, Dec.26 1776 a pivotal moment in the conception of our great country reflected the same determination that our notion of freedoms and liberty should prevail.

Later Thomas Jefferson was to write -

Paris Nov. 13. 1787.
the people can not be all, & always, well informed. the part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it’s natural manure.

Adding a little texture to how our great country was able form itself on a foundation of Liberty and Freedom for it’s citizens one would only need to look back a little more than a hundred years prior to a period called The Enlightenment. A time when men such as Isaac Newton, Voltaire, DenisDiderot, Marques De Pombal, Erasmus Darwin, etc...wrested power away from the church and the monarchies laying the ground for a country such as ours to be conceived.

It’s ironic in that Liberal Progressives are anything but. Their messaging espouses virtues but translates to control. They attempt to wrest that control back from the people to themselves and their pedestals of power. They delude the articles of law and order as well as our rights guaranteed us by our Bill of Rights as they are inconvenient to their agenda. The above is clearly seen in Governor Northam’s and others attempts to subvert our system of justice, institutions of education and the rights of the people.

What we need are representatives of the people who look to fortify our liberties and livelihoods not the profiteering virtue signaling reprobates we have.

I’m way above my pay grade here but in simpler terms, back in the 1st Battalion of the 507th Parachute Regiment when they asked if you wanted milk and cookies, if you were to say yes, you got nothing... nothing at all
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Old 12-29-2019, 22:44   #62
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True AFO during American Revolution

Political Warfare AFO before April 19, 1775.

https://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content...-Lexington.pdf

From John Adams himself

In a letter to Dr. Jedediah Morse in 1815, Adams described his feelings about the events of those earlier years:
A history of military operations from April 19th, 1775 to the 3d of September, 1783, is not a history of the American Revolution.... The revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people, and in the union of the colonies; both of which were substantially effected before hostilities commenced.1

You have to secured the intellectual and moral high ground before any hostilities.

Less Come and Take it crap and more political warfare to solidify and organize the effort.
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Old 12-30-2019, 05:39   #63
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You have to secured the intellectual and moral high ground before any hostilities.
That's a great point. Although it occurred over a longer time period, the stories and sermons were shared up & down the colonies, carried by horseback. The people had formed the judgments & concensus beforehand, aided by the printer & the preacher.
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Old 12-30-2019, 10:03   #64
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You have to secured the intellectual and moral high ground before any hostilities.

Less Come and Take it crap and more political warfare to solidify and organize the effort.
This.

Despite the hyperbole - there are any number of steps that can and should be taken at this time.

It is possible and advisable to work multiple tracks simultaneously.

The public (and those following orders) should see folks, neighbors, friends, family who they would support.

Politicians should see folks who are presentable, knowledgeable and committed to their their God given rights which happen to be enshrined in The Constitution. Politicians should be introduced to the the idea that The Bill of Rights is really (undeniably) a Bill of Limitations on Governmental Action!

All that has really happened so far is that in VA the Democrats have come out of the closet and provided their proposed wish list and intentions - it is undeniable as to how far they want to go to infringe on 2A Rights.

In response, local government and the great people of VA have signaled their political opposition. There is a long way to go with the upcoming VA legislative session. Make no mistake they want your guns but IMO now is the time build solid political opposition - and alliances - that VA families can get behind.

VA is, for the moment, the canary in the coal mine...
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Old 12-30-2019, 16:44   #65
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CIVIL WAR II in the U S A.

IRRECONCILABLE DIFFERENCES have risen from individuals to states in this country.
The ultra-liberal left progressives and the grass-roots right will never agree to a peaceful separation for red state- blue state arrangement for this country. There can only be one culture not the diversity that the progressive left keeps expanding a range of ideas and political viability that are now tolerated in public discourse that were unthinkable as few as twenty years ago. The "Joseph Overton Window." The grass-roots right must unite to stop the left, who vote 70% for communist/socialist ideas who believe white people are the problem. Western Civilization has not advanced because of or in spite of school girl gossip from low IQ philosophy that leads to a communist/socialist society. The Leftist claim moral authority because they espouse equality which is a false premise because the left sees equality as affirmative action, quota or a heads up. The grass-roots right to empirical moral authority is RECIPROCITY. This term Reciprocity is the universal law of human cooperation, The Natural Law.
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Old 01-01-2020, 18:35   #66
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From Virginia Citizens Defense League...

The state's Democratic legislature will be holding hearings on Gov. “Blackface” Northam's anti-gun budget in four locations around the state tomorrow (on Thursday).

We understand that this is short notice. But it would have a significant impact if many of our members could show up and make a 3-minute statement and ask questions of the legislators in attendance

We have to speak out, because your rights are under attack by the Governor of Virginia. Consider:

Governor “Blackface” is supporting SB 16, which would ban commonly-owned firearms in more than one million Virginia households -- a ban that would even outlaw sporting weapons such as the Mossberg 930 Snow Goose.
The Governor has requested $4 million and 18 law-enforcement positions to enforce his gun ban -- a request that could be the preparatory steps for confiscating the guns which would be banned by SB 16.
Moreover, the Governor is requesting another $3.5 million to enforce gun control that has NOT been passed by the legislature and is NOT even current law in Virginia: universal background checks, one gun a month limitations, so-called “red flag” gun confiscation orders, and more.



More at: https://mailchi.mp/5c4493eba134/va-a...y?e=cd5cbda75b
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Old 01-05-2020, 08:07   #67
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Resistance to illegal and unauthorized government acts is not new — it is an ancient doctrine, historically known as “The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate.”
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More money to corrections to lock up gun owners

Laying the groundwork

Whoda thunk that in the mid-Atlantic that the Commonwealth of Virginia would be the first to execute the Crazy Ivan on the 2nd Amendment?

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Budget Bill - HB30 (Introduced)
Bill Order » Office of Public Safety and Homeland Security » Item 402

Q. Included in the appropriation for this Item is $250,000 the first year from the general fund for the estimated net increase in the operating cost of adult correctional facilities resulting from the enactment of sentencing legislation as listed below. This amount shall be paid into the Corrections Special Reserve Fund, established pursuant to § 30-19.1:4, Code of Virginia.

1. Allow the removal of firearms from persons who pose substantial risk to themselves or others -- $50,000

2. Prohibit the sale, possession, and transport of assault firearms, trigger activators, and silencers -- $50,000

3. Increase the penalty for allowing a child to access unsecured firearms -- $50,000

4. Prohibit possession of firearms for persons subject to final orders of protection -- $50,000

5. Require background checks for all firearms sales -- $50,000.
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It might be time to educate the population about jury nullification.

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For those in VA...this came across the wire



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The Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL), a non-profit, non-partisan, grassroots organization dedicated to advancing the fundamental human right of all Virginians to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and Article I Section 13 of the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Virginia has organized a rally at Richmond on Martin Luther King Day (20 JAN 2020) to let Virginia’s Governor, Senate & House of Delegates see support for the Second Amendment.
Information on the VCDL Lobby Day 2020: Monday, January 20, 2020 (Martin Luther King Day) is available at : www.vcdl.org
VCDL is chartering buses to Lobby Day on January 20 from different cities throughout the Cpommonwealth. All seats are $35. All depart Richmond at 2 PM. Sign up through Eventbrite; links are listed on www.vcdl.org
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It might be time to educate the population about jury nullification.

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"The People" would have to be willing to go against the entrenched JD's. There will be no sympathetic ear.

What then....???
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Old 01-16-2020, 02:09   #72
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Northam declares state of emergency

On Wednesday Gov. Ralph Northam (with the blessing of the ACLU) stoked the already high tensions by declaring a state of emergency ahead of the planned Lobby Day on January 20. Northam cited threats as were seen at the 2017 Unite the Right Rally Charlottesville as the reason.

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elected leader poking the bear to push his agenda.
...US citizens should not be allowed to enjoy their freedoms under the Bill of Rights and yet - this turd is ok with sanctuary cities for Illegal Aliens


Why ? Because, democrats
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It will be worth watching the event transpire to see if Northam's edict about helmets & masks applies to the carpetbagging Antifa scum that are sure to be invited. VCDL is, and always has been, in regular congenial contact with the VA SP. This is how they know in less than 24 hrs all the permitted ingress points to the area and that there will be 17 magnetometers set up for screening. That's a specific number provided to them, not a guess. Their folks are well-counselled to point out agents provocateurs to the LE and not engage.

How the media portray this will be telling. The previous Charlottesville kluge will be used as a baseline to them - especially since Northam gave it to them - just as the ghost of McVeigh is invoked to avoid discussions of LE over-reach at Ruby Ridge & Waco. They can't help it. To cite the fable, they're "scorpions." It's what they do.
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Democrat=Socialist=Communist/Civil War II

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...US citizens should not be allowed to enjoy their freedoms under the Bill of Rights and yet - this turd is ok with sanctuary cities for Illegal Aliens


Why ? Because, democrats
The orthodox democrat party has been taken over by the radical progressive left. They do NOT support the U S Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the elected POTUS. They have a vision for the USA that follows the doctrine of Karl Marx. There can be no agreement with the radical left, peaceful separation with them is impossible. The socialist justice and equality eliminated Reciprocity and has given the minority "victim " the advantage e g feminism, illegal alien, and the criminal citizen. The vigorous move by the democrats to eliminate the 2nd Amendment in Virginia is coming to a point of confrontation. The coming weeks will provide an opportunity for the grass roots right to shut this push to socialism down.
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