Another Attack on Free Speech

[Paslode]

Kind of amazing how all these attacks on Free Speech have snowballed after Charlottesville. Makes me wonder if it was a perfect storm or thoughtfully planned.

Won't be long before people begin receiving phone calls or notices via email putting them on notice for their behavior online...

If the SPLC and ADL, with their (growing) list of "hate groups" is going to be the arbiter for approved online speech, we have reached a very scary place in this country. It will be the end of the Internet as we know it and America will be no better than totalitarian China and N. Korea.

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/0...tive-bloggers/

[spottedmedic111]

I work in Charlottesville and find it at least possible there was some political exploitation of this rally, at a minimum. There's a lot of outrage in this town over the last election; even street beggars making money with F*** TRUMP signs.

http://yournewswire.com/charlottesville-inside-job/

[PedOncoDoc]

I've had a few freinds comment on social media that white nationalists, neo-nazis, etc, should not be allowed to gather and demonstrate.

I told these people (who are all also very anti-Trump) that if they truly held that sentiment that they should publicly state that they want the current administration to determine which groups were allowed to gather and demonstrate but if they are uncomfortable with making that statement their understanding of why constitutional rights are in place are completely lacking. They have gotten a bit quieter since then...

[Paslode]

A bit off topic with this, but I believe in the same vein of thought.

I suggested to a anti-Trump/Trust baby that removal of the Confederate Statues would be best resolved by a public vote of the local constituency rather than a small cabal of local agenda driven bureaucrats/politicians.


I never did get a response to the idea of a public vote, but I did get an endless stream of SPLC and WaPo talking points trying to shape the narrative.


The responses:

It is important to know the history of WHY these monuments were built. The intent is important. Let's not erase the history of the motives of these groups.

Our duty today is to understand these acts against other human beings and how horrific they were. That is a moral duty, and a historical obligation.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by spottedmedic111

I work in Charlottesville and find it at least possible there was some political exploitation of this rally, at a minimum. There's a lot of outrage in this town over the last election; even street beggars making money with F*** TRUMP signs.

http://yournewswire.com/charlottesville-inside-job/

I agree with the Officer. The National Guard was on sight as well and were nothing more than spectators.

[Hand]

Originally Posted by spottedmedic111

I work in Charlottesville and find it at least possible there was some political exploitation of this rally, at a minimum. There's a lot of outrage in this town over the last election; even street beggars making money with F*** TRUMP signs.

http://yournewswire.com/charlottesville-inside-job/

Respectfully, doesn't this article seem a bit conspiratorial?

• The New World Order, led in the United States by elite operatives Obama, Podesta, Soros, Clinton and company, are pulling out all the stops to create division through chaos and destruction.

• Deep state operatives

[tonyz]

There are communist agitators actively working to suppress speech and divide our nation - it is not conspiracy theory.

Woman Who Destroyed Durham Confederate Statue Is A Pro-North Korea Marxist
Daily Caller
WILL RACKE
Immigration and Foreign Policy Reporter
2:12 PM 08/16/2017

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/wo...korea-marxist/

Who is the WWP? ...some snippets from their own web page and link to WWP below.

Workers World Party is a revolutionary Marxist-Leninist party dedicated to organizing and fighting for a socialist revolution in the United States and around the world.

We are active in the Black Lives Matter movement including advocating for disarming the police and other repressive state apparatus. Workers World Party supports the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer struggles, and the fight for the rights of people with disabilities and women. We are in solidarity with the struggle for a living income, including the massive fight for a $15 hourly wage, as well as free healthcare for all and reproductive justice. We oppose the ruling class agenda of austerity and their attacks on the living standards of all workers. We fight against home foreclosures and evictions, water and utility shutoffs, school closings and charter schools. We support unions in the fight against the bosses. We call for the end to the rule of Wall Street, the military and the corporations as a necessary step in the struggle to mitigate climate change and to stop further harm to the environment.

We oppose U.S. intervention everywhere – in the Middle East, Latin America, Caribbean, Africa, Asia, Europe, and Indigenous lands within the United States. We unconditionally support the Palestinian people in the struggle against the Zionist state of Israel. We call for the shutdown of the Pentagon and the use of the war budget to improve the lives of the working class and especially the oppressed peoples. We fight for the right of self-determination including the right to separation for all oppressed nations at home and abroad.

The U.S. imperialists owe reparations to the people of the world for the huge crimes they have committed. They have over a thousand military bases around the world, and they all must be shut down. The Pentagon, NATO and all the alliances and treaties used to suppress the people of the world must be abolished.

http://www.workers.org/wwp/what-is-wwp/

[rsdengler]

Originally Posted by tonyz

There are communist agitators actively working to suppress speech and divide our nation - it is not conspiracy theory.

Woman Who Destroyed Durham Confederate Statue Is A Pro-North Korea Marxist
Daily Caller
WILL RACKE
Immigration and Foreign Policy Reporter
2:12 PM 08/16/2017

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/wo...korea-marxist/

Who is the WWP? ...some snippets from their own web page and link to WWP below.

Workers World Party is a revolutionary Marxist-Leninist party dedicated to organizing and fighting for a socialist revolution in the United States and around the world.

We are active in the Black Lives Matter movement including advocating for disarming the police and other repressive state apparatus. Workers World Party supports the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer struggles, and the fight for the rights of people with disabilities and women. We are in solidarity with the struggle for a living income, including the massive fight for a $15 hourly wage, as well as free healthcare for all and reproductive justice. We oppose the ruling class agenda of austerity and their attacks on the living standards of all workers. We fight against home foreclosures and evictions, water and utility shutoffs, school closings and charter schools. We support unions in the fight against the bosses. We call for the end to the rule of Wall Street, the military and the corporations as a necessary step in the struggle to mitigate climate change and to stop further harm to the environment.

We oppose U.S. intervention everywhere – in the Middle East, Latin America, Caribbean, Africa, Asia, Europe, and Indigenous lands within the United States. We unconditionally support the Palestinian people in the struggle against the Zionist state of Israel. We call for the shutdown of the Pentagon and the use of the war budget to improve the lives of the working class and especially the oppressed peoples. We fight for the right of self-determination including the right to separation for all oppressed nations at home and abroad.

The U.S. imperialists owe reparations to the people of the world for the huge crimes they have committed. They have over a thousand military bases around the world, and they all must be shut down. The Pentagon, NATO and all the alliances and treaties used to suppress the people of the world must be abolished.

http://www.workers.org/wwp/what-is-wwp/

Believe me, if that fat bitch went to North Korea she would not even think about doing that over there; no free speech or supporting"the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer struggles, and the fight for the rights of people with disabilities and women, minimum raise"...stupid cow would be locked up for life or shot. That really chaps my ass..at least she would be on a nice diet of rice and water

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by rsdengler

Believe me, if that fat bitch went to North Korea she would not even think about doing that over there; no free speech or supporting"the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer struggles, and the fight for the rights of people with disabilities and women, minimum raise"...stupid cow would be locked up for life or shot..at least she would be on a nice diet of rice and water

But I don't think there would be much disagreement if I were to say that she and the WWP don't really support the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer struggles, and the fight for the rights of people with disabilities and women. We are in solidarity with the struggle for a living income, including the massive fight for a $15 hourly wage, as well as free healthcare for all and reproductive justice.

It's all a front under the guise of a non-profit. What WWP really supports is an end to the existing form of government.


Should they succeed with their revolution, I would place a bet that many of their supporters and those they claim to support will be thrown under the bus (or thrown off buildings) in short order

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Paslode

It's all a front under the guise of a non-profit. What WWP really supports is an end to the existing form of government.

Should they succeed with their revolution, I would place a bet that many of their supporters and those they claim to support will be thrown under the bus (or thrown off buildings) in short order

^^This.

Simply stated, we are in the midst of a cultural revolution - factions opposing Western Civilation are coalescing until Western Civilation weakens or even falls...then it's also a battle between...commies, nazies, Sharia law, etc., etc.,

We are being divided from within at the moment and the media is playing an enormous role.

Or, I'm just some old grumpy fuck...America is magically immune from age old political struggles ...and everything is ok...when does Dancing With the Stars start?

[Old Dog New Trick]

WWP sounds and looks like a 'terrorist' organization openly trying to overthrow the Constitutional Republic and American Democracy through violence, threats, and political action.

Time to call these groups what they are and deal with them through existing law.

[Hand]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

WWP sounds and looks like a 'terrorist' organization openly trying to overthrow the Constitutional Republic and American Democracy through violence, threats, and political action.

Time to call these groups what they are and deal with them through existing law.

Thanks for posting that tonyz.
Reading that caused the bile to rise in the back of my throat. I can see through the red haze in my mind a couple of pasty white, flimsy fingered, limp-wristed, androgynous, fat societal rejects typing that crap out. Their hate and intolerance far outweighs anything the confederate flag represents.

[bblhead672]

WWP = domestic enemy

[x SF med]

Originally Posted by tonyz

There are communist agitators actively working to suppress speech and divide our nation - it is not conspiracy theory.

Woman Who Destroyed Durham Confederate Statue Is A Pro-North Korea Marxist
Daily Caller
WILL RACKE
Immigration and Foreign Policy Reporter
2:12 PM 08/16/2017

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/16/wo...korea-marxist/

Who is the WWP? ...some snippets from their own web page and link to WWP below.

Workers World Party is a revolutionary Marxist-Leninist party dedicated to organizing and fighting for a socialist revolution in the United States and around the world.

We are active in the Black Lives Matter movement including advocating for disarming the police and other repressive state apparatus. Workers World Party supports the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer struggles, and the fight for the rights of people with disabilities and women. We are in solidarity with the struggle for a living income, including the massive fight for a $15 hourly wage, as well as free healthcare for all and reproductive justice. We oppose the ruling class agenda of austerity and their attacks on the living standards of all workers. We fight against home foreclosures and evictions, water and utility shutoffs, school closings and charter schools. We support unions in the fight against the bosses. We call for the end to the rule of Wall Street, the military and the corporations as a necessary step in the struggle to mitigate climate change and to stop further harm to the environment.

We oppose U.S. intervention everywhere – in the Middle East, Latin America, Caribbean, Africa, Asia, Europe, and Indigenous lands within the United States. We unconditionally support the Palestinian people in the struggle against the Zionist state of Israel. We call for the shutdown of the Pentagon and the use of the war budget to improve the lives of the working class and especially the oppressed peoples. We fight for the right of self-determination including the right to separation for all oppressed nations at home and abroad.

The U.S. imperialists owe reparations to the people of the world for the huge crimes they have committed. They have over a thousand military bases around the world, and they all must be shut down. The Pentagon, NATO and all the alliances and treaties used to suppress the people of the world must be abolished.

http://www.workers.org/wwp/what-is-wwp/

Shades of Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, and Mao... and look what happened to equality in Russia and China... especially for those mentioned in the above manifesto.

But hey history is malleable, right?

my .02

[Old Dog New Trick]

Except for the voices in my head, maybe it's time to curtail 'free speech' and put limits on what can and cannot be said in public.

Civility has its limits- hateful/harmful or vulgar speech is still hateful/harmful and vulgar speech even if you agree with it.

Most all college and university campuses must have decorum rules and many if not all parks and recreation services, and city ordinances have by-laws preventing language, display, and organized groups that threaten the peaceful assembly by all.

Ask them to leave once then arrest and charge with trespass or disturbing the peace. Students and faculty should be expelled and PNG'd from campuses for violating the rules.