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Old 03-18-2004, 16:23   #16
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was trying to indoctrinate 22 youths into launching suicide attacks.
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Old 03-18-2004, 16:29   #17
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Wonder where this bastard learned German and Arabic?
Didnt the East Germans train terrorists way back when? Or maybe hiding out in German Communes in Argentinia maybe?
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Old 03-18-2004, 16:52   #18
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Might have a German family member as well.
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was trying to indoctrinate 22 youths into launching suicide attacks.
I'm satisfied with any of the answers I've seen on this question.
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I'm satisfied with any of the answers I've seen on this question.
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Old 03-20-2004, 18:09   #21
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What do you all think of this?

Hostages for Prisoners: A Way to Peace in Colombia?
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Hostages for Prisoners: A Way to Peace in Colombia?
I think it would be foolish to do that. It would encourage more hostage-taking.

I would just unleash NDD on them.
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Old 03-21-2004, 17:30   #23
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NDD, this guy "Musulman" as he is called in Colombia is for real and was going to give each of the kids who decided to do this $500 thousand pesos for the job. Targets included Colombian President Uribe. He was grabbed at the transmellenio ( busstop) at Av. Caracas and 72. ( Pretty nice neighborhood). "Chatting " with him is ongoing.
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Just down from the Oxy office. Mmmm
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Old 03-23-2004, 10:18   #25
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Colombia New FARC Center for Operations, Drugs Located in Narino, near Ecuador
from El Tiempo on Monday, March 22, 2004
Article ID: D142042
El Tiempo visited the area where the Army has destroyed 114 laboratories so far this year; an area that the rebels share with the self-defense groups. From the beginning of January the Army has been venturing into the heartland of the so-called crystallizers of the drug: a rustic coca-processing "network" buried deep in the jungle that is home to more than 140 laboratories used to process the alkaloid. This "coca city" is located in the vicinity of the Nulpe River, which is entirely a jungle area. Residents of the region told journalists that the FARC [Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia] is the group that authorizes sailing on the Guiza River, which is located in the southwestern part of Narino department.

The Army Intelligence officer who is in charge of the operations explained: "We found the laboratories organized, if one can describe it that way, in groups of three per 'farm.' Each group was about four kilometers away from the other, and so on."

In this area El Tiempo found peasants trying to "save" the hectares of coca from the glyphosate that is being sprayed from the Plan Colombia airplanes. The largest amount of plants can be found on the banks of the streams between the two rivers. The residents -- some of them natives of the region while others are people who were displaced from Putumayo and Caqueta -- maintain their families with the crop from two or three hectares of coca.

Elisa, a mestizo woman, told us in broken Spanish: "They don't pay us much, but it is enough for us to get by. We do not have an opportunity to sell anything else because there are no prospective buyers. The only thing that has a market here is coca." While she keeps an eye on the crops, her five-year-old son -- who has a runny nose and is usually running barefoot among the plants -- clutches to her skirt.

As we move along we run across an old man trying to save the coca from the crop-dusting. He shies away from the camera and repeats, without being asked, that he is being paid to spray the leaves, but is not the owner of the plants. In a container strapped to his back the old man is carrying five gallons of water mixed with sugar. The woman explained: "This gooey liquid stays on the surface of the leaves, and when the chemical is sprayed it gets stuck to the liquid. Afterward the liquid is washed off, and the plant does not die. This is the technique that is being used so as not to lose the crop. Others do the same thing with caked brown sugar diluted with water, or try to hide the plants among the plantains.

FARC and 'Paramilitaries'

None of the peasants dares to reveal who the coca leaves are being sold to, but all of the local authorities as well as the Government security organizations know for a fact that control over the area is being "shared" by the FARC's 29th Front and 'Daniel Aldana' and 'Mariscal de Sucre' columns and the self-defense group's 'Libertadores del Sur' bloc. Each armed group controls a segment of the Nulpe and Guiza rivers that flow into the Mira. In turn, the Mira flows until Cape Manglares, where its waters pour into the Pacific Ocean. This is also where the drug-laden boats and launches converge, according to the information provided by the residents of the region.

A member of the 'Daniel Aldana' rebel column who turned himself in to the Navy in Tumaco explained that once the coca leaves the laboratories it is sold to other people who are in charge of shipping it out of the country. The deserter told the military officials: "Civilians in 'Los Chongos' purchase the drug already crystallized, and move it out by land and on vessels. I never saw any light planes." Referring to one of the laboratory areas, the deserter added: "They often purchase between 80 and 100 kilos per week, and pay 2.5 million per kilo."

This has been one of the country's most inhospitable areas. As a matter of fact, during its initial attempts in August of last year the Anti-Drug Trafficking Brigade (Brcna) lost one of its officers during skirmishes with the rebels, who would not allow the troops to get any closer. This new phase of the operation began late last year. The aforementioned officer noted: "The first step was to locate the crops via satellite and then, with assistance from the Navy and the Air Force, the area was checked out with technical intelligence means. Planning of the operation began on 21 December."

A count made in the area showed 35,000 hectares sowed with coca plants toward the end of last year, which means that cultivation has spread since there were only 15,000 hectares in 2002.

The Operation

The last week of December the 450 Brcna members assigned to carry out the task arrived at the Marine base in Tumaco. General Carlos Suarez Bustamante set up the command post and the first landing was coordinated. The soldiers set out along the northern border of Narino, passing through the municipalities of Roberto Payan, Panga, and Barbacoas. The found several crystallizing laboratories and many crops along the Patia and Telembi rivers.
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As the days passed, however, the troops pushed deeper into the Narino jungle up to the Nulpe River. After cutting through the jungle for 10 days -- without receiving any supplies because neither the terrain nor the weather allowed air support -- the soldiers ran across a veritable network of enormous crystallizers and laboratories camouflaged among the trees.

Structures made out of wood and fronds served to shelter stoves with ovens, grinders, large power generators, dryers, and mixers. The Army believes that this equipment has the capacity to process close to 15 tons of coca leaves per week. After processing, each week these leaves turn into 4 tons of coca base and between six and seven tons of coca paste, which sells on the international market for US$25,000 per kilo.

Once the soldiers found the crystallizers, crop-dusting of the area began. One of the officers who is participating in Operation "Dynasty" said: "In three months of operations 27,000 out of a goal of 35,000 hectares have been dusted."

Trade in Llorente

After leaving the rural area and getting back on the highway that goes from Tumaco to Pasto, one comes to the corregimiento of Llorente -- a town that is 90 minutes away from the port. Llorente has 2,000 inhabitants, but on weekends this figure swells to 8,000. Captain Edgar Cardozo Quintero, commander of the Police station that was inaugurated a month and a half ago, said: "On Saturdays and Sundays the main street of Llorente is teeming with people." Cardozo is the sole authority in the town, which did not have a mayor, inspector, or any other public official for quite a while.

The coca pickers take advantage of Saturdays and Sundays to have a good time, and the main street of Llorente -- which is part of the same road that leads to Pasto -- becomes a mall of sorts with stores, barber shops, restaurants, telephone call centers, bars, and boutiques where one can purchase a pair of jeans for between 200,000 and 300,000 pesos and a bottle of whisky for 200,000 pesos.

Freddy, who owns a fruit store, explained: "We have a price list for weekdays and a price list for weekends." Consequently, a blended fruit juice costs 4,000 pesos on Tuesday and 9,000 pesos on Saturday. The same thing happens with the cost of the services of the close to 500 prostitutes that the policemen have tallied up (only 117 are registered with the health center). According to some of their customers, on Sundays the prostitutes charge up to 700,000 pesos per hour.

The Telephones

The story is the same with the "telephone call centers." These are some 30 small wooden booths with signs offering cellular telephone calls at 300 pesos per minute. The puzzling thing about this is that cellular signals do not make it into Llorente, and yet the calls are being made thanks to illegal antennas and state-of-the-art equipment. Both townspeople and merchants will tell you, sotto voce, that this "prosperity" comes from the coca crops business. They note: "If this did not exist, we would not have anything to eat, much less maintain our families."

Regarding the owners they prefer to say as little as possible. Some of them were daring enough to say that the vast majority of hectares are rented out to the rebels; that the 'paramilitaries' collect a tax to sail on the rivers; and that the "gentlemen from Cali" have sub-leased several hectares to the FARC. Occasionally these "gentlemen from Cali" come all the way to Llorente to close a deal. However, the meeting place has been changed to locations such as La Playa, on the Mira River, or La Honda, which is three hours away from Ecuador on horseback.

One of the men who is on his way to La Guayacana, a settlement close to Llorente, said: "That is a good place for coca pickers." La Guayacana is on its way to becoming another boom town. However, even though everyone admits that nowadays business is down due to the crop-dusting, the question is: "How long will the crop-dusting be effective?"

In the Brcna's opinion, it has accomplished a titanic task. The officer in charge of the operation said: "We made a tremendous effort to cover such an extensive area, with dense vegetation, and to neutralize so many hectares. The results speak for themselves (see graph)." District Administration officials in Tumaco, the base of the operation, hope that this crop-dusting will come hand-in-hand with social investment. A peasant said: "We will not be able to stop growing coca until we are able to grow plantains and sell them as well."

Are the Crops Increasing?

According to the statistics, over the past several years the hectares sowed with coca in Narino have increased considerably. In 1999 there were 4,000 hectares sowed with coca throughout the entire department. The figures for the year 2000 showed that the amount had increased to 7,494 hectares, and in 2001 it shot up further to 9,300 hectares.

The figures for the year 2002 mentioned 15,000 hectares, and by the end of 2003, when a study was made prior to the launching of Operation "Dynasty," 35,000 hectares were detected. Of this amount, 27,000 hectares have already been dusted, so 8,000 hectares still have to be fumigated.

The discovery of this "new coca city," which belongs to the rebel groups, has taken place 20 years after the Police dealt a blow to the largest coca production center of the erstwhile powerful Medellin Cartel. On that occasion, in March 1984, the police destroyed a network of 14 laboratories, set fire to 13.8 tons of cocaine, and confiscated seven airplanes as part of the famous takeover of "Tranquilandia" in the plains of Yari (Caqueta).


Copyright 2004 Bogota El Tiempo. All rights resered.
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04/03/23 – BogotaThe police found an explosive device inside a public service vehicle that had been reported stolen just hours earlier. Bogota Metropolitan Police Commander, General Hector Garcia Guzman said the police have been working for one month on intelligence reports signaling that the FARC [Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia] guerrilla are trying to commit some sort of terrorist act in the capital city. Gen Garcia said: "Together with the Cundinamarca Department Police, the Intelligence Directorate, and the Dijin [Judicial and Investigative Police Directorate] we are carrying out coordinated operations to guarantee the safety of all Bogota residents." The high-ranking official made these statements during a press conference that was convened to report on the details of finding a cylinder loaded with shrapnel and incendiary material in central Bogota very early yesterday morning. According to the official information, Bogota and Cundinamarca police officers located a Chevrolet Sprint taxi with license plates SIL706, which had been stolen a few hours earlier, at 20th Street and Carrera 12 (in the city's downtown area). After searching the vehicle a police patrol unit called on the explosives experts who determined that the car did indeed contain a device that could explode. The cylinder was 90 centimeters long, 40 centimeters wide, and contained another similar device inside. Technical tests determined that the smaller cylinder was filled with shrapnel and incendiary material and that it was connected to the taxi's battery. The vehicle was immediately taken to the Mondonedo area south of the city where the device was detonated. "It did not have very great explosive power but it was capable of causing a small fire," the officer explained. "We believe the device was being transported and was to be detonated at another site because the place where we found the vehicle is sparsely populated. We believe the persons responsible fled out of fear of being captured by the police," said Colonel Yesid Vasquez Prada, commander of the Cundinamarca Department Police. Police officers were deployed throughout the area after the device was found and three persons apparently connected with the [FARC's] 42nd Front were arrested.
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Good stuff, NDD.
I take it that crop substitution has not been a successful program?
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I take it that crop substitution has not been a successful program?
It won't be as long as the infrastructure is in such a condition that the cost of moving legal crops to market is greater than the profit.
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Good stuff, NDD.
I take it that crop substitution has not been a successful program?
It has worked a little following extensive propaganda and social reform. I, however, am not willing to pay $300/oz for corn, yucca or coffee.
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