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Old 02-22-2018, 13:55   #46
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Tomahawk and Ret10echo:

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But looking back, I recall Wayne LaPierre said something to the effect that he believed Bill Klinton was not bothered by school shootings but rather saw them as acceptable losses in order to achieve a greater agenda.
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Youse guys nailed it!

If anyone can post Wayne LaPierre's address to CPAC this morning please do and everyone give a listen. This is our new reality.

Let the culture wars begin!
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Old 02-22-2018, 14:08   #47
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LaPierre at CPAC below - I haven't watched it yet.

https://m.*******.com/watch?v=8LJlD8O1YxM
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Old 02-22-2018, 14:12   #48
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Old 02-22-2018, 15:25   #49
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LaPierre at CPAC below - I haven't watched it yet.

https://m.*******.com/watch?v=8LJlD8O1YxM
Excellent speech. Identified the real issues.
Plenty of great lines, I liked this one enough to write it down:
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Old 02-23-2018, 05:18   #50
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If you Twitter read this: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRe...54507744374784

Straight letter by author:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...744374784.html

If 10% of it is true we have a bigger problem than 17 dead kids.

Corruption that could very well go all the way back to the last administrations DOJ/FBI and Chicago’s criminal school boards.

This and both Broward and Dade Counties LEA and school boards need to be investigated by congress.
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Old 02-23-2018, 06:23   #51
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If you Twitter read this: https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRe...54507744374784

If 10% of it is true we have a bigger problem than 17 dead kids.

Corruption that could very well go all the way back to the last administrations DOJ/FBI and Chicago’s criminal school boards.

This and both Broward and Dade Counties LEA and school boards need to be investigated by congress.

This problem sounds like it might go back to the Obama administration ending zero tolerance policies....fundamentally transforming American school system into war zones.

https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2...ted-roles.html

Racial Quotas:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ol-discipline/


Making schools more dangerous:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sc...rticle/2581002

Stop using police force:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0a48094a735c5
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This problem sounds like it might go back to the Obama administration ending zero tolerance policies....fundamentally transforming American school system into war zones.

https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2...ted-roles.html

Racial Quotas:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ol-discipline/


Making schools more dangerous:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sc...rticle/2581002

Stop using police force:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0a48094a735c5
So at least I’m not going crazy. Multiple sources!
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Old 02-23-2018, 07:44   #53
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There certainly appears that some big federal grant money was made available. Information below directly from USDOJ site. Would local pols ever (a Sheriff in FL is an elected position) manipulate stats for grant money?

Would Statists/globalists/progressives/socialists ever view a school resource officer to be a sort of “political officer” as well as a law enforcement officer?

Would political correctness ever infect decision making?

“The Office of Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS Office) is the component of the U.S. Department of Justice responsible for advancing the practice of community policing by the nation's state, local, territorial, and tribal law enforcement agencies through information and grant resources.

Since 1994, the COPS Office has invested more than $14 billion to help advance community policing.”

https://cops.usdoj.gov/about
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So at least I’m not going crazy. Multiple sources!
You are not crazy.

Google hasn't scrubbed articles on the zero tolerance policy quite yet...though it may in the works


It is very interesting to read up on the Obama Administrations Zero Tolerance policy, and then see what happened in Florida.......Cause and Effect.
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The Sheriff's needs to be charged with negligence and the whole office swept clean. Same with the FBI...

Every fucking one failed. LINK

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And long before Cruz embarked on the worst school shooting in Florida history, Broward Sheriff’s Office deputies had multiple warnings that the 19-year-old was a violent threat and a potential school shooter, according to records released Thursday.

In November, a tipster called BSO to say Cruz “could be a school shooter in the making,” but deputies did not write up a report on that warning. It came just weeks after a relative called urging BSO to seize his weapons. Two years ago, according to a newly released timeline of interactions with Cruz’s family, a deputy investigated a report that Cruz “planned to shoot up the school” — intelligence that was forwarded to the school’s resource officer, with no apparent result.

“I’m completely disgusted,” said Broward County Commissioner Michael Udine, a former mayor of Parkland whose daughter attends Stoneman Douglas. “There is nobody in authority talking to each other and every organization that had a chance to stop this completely failed our children from top to bottom.”
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Peterson — named school resource officer of the year for Parkland in 2014 — was in another building, dealing with a student issue when the shots sounded. Armed with his sidearm, Peterson ran to the west side of Building 12 and set up in a defensive position, then did nothing for four minutes until the gunfire stopped, the sheriff said.

On Thursday, Israel said surveillance footage captured the officer’s inaction. Asked what Peterson should have done, Israel said: “Went in. Addressed the killer. Killed the killer.”
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Then came the first serious red flag.
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In February 2016, someone reported that Cruz “planned to shoot up the school.” A deputy was shown an Instagram photo of a “juvenile” with guns. Investigators say they don’t know which school was the possible target.

According to BSO, a deputy talked to the anonymous caller, then determined that Cruz “possessed knives and a BB gun.” That information was forwarded to Peterson at the Douglas campus, police said. The internal affairs unit is now investigating why nothing came of the report.

Then, on Nov. 30, an unidentified caller from Massachusetts called to say Cruz was collecting guns and knives. The caller said “Cruz will kill himself one day and believes he could be a school shooter in the making.”

BSO, however, never even wrote a report on the tip. Internal affairs detectives are now trying to figure out what happened. Deputies Edward Eason and Guntis Treijs are on restricted duty while detectives examine their handling of the two potential school shooter tips. After the shooting, the tipster was re-interviewed and said BSO told him to report Cruz to the Palm Beach Sheriff’s, as the teen was then living in the neighboring county.

There, Cruz was also on the radar of law enforcement.

The family that took in Cruz after the death of his mother called the Palm Beach Sheriff’s Office to report a fight between him and their son, 22. One member of the family told police that Cruz had threatened to “get his gun and come back” and that he had “put the gun to others’ heads in the past.”
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So at least I’m not going crazy. Multiple sources!
Well, ODNT, not sure you're not but this isn't evidence that you are.
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Old 02-23-2018, 09:17   #57
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For some time I have suspected this is a case of social engineering Munchausen syndrome. IIRC, Bill Clinton even made a comment that this was acceptable risk back in the '90s.

As Ram Emanuel told Obama, "Never let a good crisis go to waste."

Even if you need to create it!
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The Sheriff's needs to be charged with negligence and the whole office swept clean. Same with the FBI...

Every fucking one failed. LINK
Combine you’re Miami Herald article with excerpt below from NYT article...there is so much fail by so many humans no wonder some want to scream about the firearm to divert attention...

Howard Finkelstein, the Broward County public defender, whose office is representing Mr. Cruz, said...

“This kid exhibited every single known red flag, from killing animals to having a cache of weapons to disruptive behavior to saying he wanted to be a school shooter,” Mr. Finkelstein said. “If this isn’t a person who should have gotten someone’s attention, I don’t know who is. This was a multisystem failure.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/u...-shooting.html
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As Ram Emanuel told Obama, "Never let a good crisis go to waste."

Even if you need to create it!
Fast & Furious stands as a prime example.
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Would local pols ever (a Sheriff in FL is an elected position) manipulate stats for grant money?
Am certain you're savvy enough to know they would.

Every Memorial Day & Independence Day and at the county's local gathering in the park for "Nat'l LE Night Out" (with other first responder groups, SKYWARN, and local citizenry with their little kids etc. on hand to watch an overweight tacti-cool bunch throw a flashbang next to a schoolbus), and going down main streets behind the VFW's Color Guard, someone can check a box for "MRAP Deployed." Freestuff - yeah, baby!
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