Nearly Half of Detroit Illiterate - Page 3

plato · 05-05-2011, 19:50

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

I always chuckle when attempts are made to improve everyone's standardized test scores (IQ included).

By definition, standardized tests are relative scoring.
For IQ (Weschler scale), average is defined as = 100.

One standard deviation is defined to be 15 points.
It is impossible to get everyone above 100 because improvements (or declines) change the definition of 100.

<shrug>
Half the people I know are below average.

Exactly, by utilizing standard civilian mathematics.

Only when you complete the Advanced Mathematics Course for Military Officers, can you really grasp how 96% of the 2LTs in the army, can be in the top 2% performance-wise.

Well, that and lots and lots of good German beer.

It was less clear the next day, but the night my CO explained it, it was perfectly clear.

nmap · 05-05-2011, 20:08

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

<shrug>
Half the people I know are below average.

No offense meant, but I suspect most of the people you know are well above average, some of them substantially so.

I'll go further. I suspect just about anyone reading this is above average and that most of those they want to associate with are likewise.

Penn · 05-05-2011, 20:44

Jonathan Kozal “The Shame of the Nation: The Restoration of Apartheid Schooling in America”

**Pete** · 05-06-2011, 04:16

How could this be?????????

They went to public school!!!!!!!!!!!

greenberetTFS · 05-06-2011, 05:12

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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer

and the Red Wings suck too

I second RL's motion ..................

However I really liked Detroit 187,gonna really miss the show.........

Big Teddy

CW1287 · 05-06-2011, 05:15

Being from Michigan, it truthfully does not suprise me that Detroit is so low in any category. As previously pointed out, it is "the will to learn." Most of the low income residents figure they can just bank on a factory job when they get done with school (or drop out). With the awesome economy that Detroit now has who wouldn't want to bank on getting a factory job? The problem also stems from public schools. Most of the teachers care about as much as the students taking less and less time caring about the education they are giving. Lastly the blame should really be shouldered by the parents. Parents should take and interest in their children's education, forcing their kids to have "a better life than I had."

I also resent the comment about the Red Wings no matter how much they are taking a beating from the Sharks

There is still a chance for a come back....

ObliqueApproach · 05-06-2011, 05:25

From a strictly educational perspective, we'll leave hockey out of it, it would be interesting to know how New Orleans compares to Detroit.....although, you might have to go to Houston to find out since many of the "refugees" never went back!

greenberetTFS · 05-06-2011, 05:53

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Originally Posted by NORMAL550GIRL

Really doesn't surprise me at all. The Detroit school system is a shambles, and Southfield and Pontiac aren't any better. Pontiac is considered the slum of Oakland County. It's the "hole in the donut" surrounded by upscale communities.

N550G,

I'll bet you live in Bloomfield Hills...............

Big Teddy

Dusty · 05-06-2011, 09:13

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Originally Posted by NORMAL550GIRL

Thereabouts, but Bloomfield Hills doesn't accept WASPS.

WTF is a WASP?

I'll google it...

"'WASP'-Someone who steps out of the shower to urinate."

Dusty · 05-06-2011, 09:58

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Originally Posted by NORMAL550GIRL

IMO, it will always start and end with the parents. Illiteracy just isn't acceptable.

Amen.

**Pete** · 05-06-2011, 10:19

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Originally Posted by NORMAL550GIRL

........... Kids can't learn or be expected to learn when they're hungry ......................

Don't think so - never seen a hungry kid dump a full lunch tray.

Instead of trying to pin the blame on "one" thing maybe we should say it's the over riding culture. From the parents, the kids, the schools and the culture that overlays it all.

Kids like to be (somewhat) like their parents. Kids see what their parents do for a living. What does the bottom end of our society do for a living? What do the kids see?

They see what their parents (mom) does each day. They see you go to this office to get the EBT card, over there for WIC, down around the corner for rent aid, another building for utility aid. On and on, that's what they see. That is the life. The drug dealer driving the tricked out caddy never finished high school so why should they. If you're a girl just get knocked up and you can get a place of your own.

Who needs schooling to get ahead?

Dusty · 05-06-2011, 10:22

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Originally Posted by Pete

Don't think so - never seen a hungry kid dump a full lunch tray.

Instead of trying to pin the blame on "one" thing maybe we should say it's the over riding culture. From the parents, the kids, the schools and the culture that overlays it all.

Kids like to be (somewhat) like their parents. Kids see what their parents do for a living. What does the bottom end of our society do for a living? What do the kids see?

They see what their parents (mom) does each day. They see you go to this office to get the EBT card, over there for WIC, down around the corner for rent aid, another building for utility aid. On and on, that's what they see. That is the life. The drug dealer driving the tricked out caddy never finished high school so why should they. If you're a girl just get knocked up and you can get a place of your own.

Who needs schooling to get ahead?

It's the parent's choice to use WIC, EBT and other handout programs. Nobody's forcing it on 'em.

st1650 · 05-06-2011, 10:51

A young man needs a STRONG father/masculine role model. When you have a 25 years old sistah with 4 kids with 4 different,missing fathers in a closed community that glorify illiteracy, crime, sex and drugs well ... you get Detroit ... or North Montreal.

As long as kids are born without real fathers, this crime culture will never stop.

GratefulCitizen · 05-06-2011, 11:59

The public school system is set up to ingrain zero-sum thinking.
-The grading system is effectively a zero-sum game.
-Sports are a zero-sum game.
-Standardized tests are a zero-sum game.
-The social dynamic is usually a zero-sum game.
-Zero-sum economics are being furthered through a liberal curriculum.
-Cooperation is penalized as "cheating".

People who are convinced that the world is zero-sum are easily manipulated.
Some will believe that a person who gets free food, health care, housing, and 99 weeks of work-free pay is "poor" just because someone else might have more.

Some still retain a work ethic.
But if they also retain zero-sum thinking, they'll get stuck on an economic treadmill feeding the tax machine (directly or indirectly).

If possible, use the school system as your children's tool.
Don't let the school system use your children as a tool.

Dusty · 05-06-2011, 12:23

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Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

The public school system is set up to ingrain zero-sum thinking.
-The grading system is effectively a zero-sum game.
-Sports are a zero-sum game.
-Standardized tests are a zero-sum game.
-The social dynamic is usually a zero-sum game.
-Zero-sum economics are being furthered through a liberal curriculum.
-Cooperation is penalized as "cheating".

People who are convinced that the world is zero-sum are easily manipulated.
Some will believe that a person who gets free food, health care, housing, and 99 weeks of work-free pay is "poor" just because someone else might have more.

Some still retain a work ethic.
But if they also retain zero-sum thinking, they'll get stuck on an economic treadmill feeding the tax machine (directly or indirectly).

If possible, use the school system as your children's tool.
Don't let the school system use your children as a tool.

It all adds up over time...