02-09-2005, 12:12
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: San Antonio, TX
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I had no such auspicious beginnings as other of my SF Brothers. 9 months as a Leg Spoon, followed by another year waiting for Jump School.
Whats that old saying, it takes a man to admit mistakes, it takes a Real Man to admit to mistakes before Millions!!!!!
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02-16-2005, 20:57
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Moscow, Russia
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In 1969 there was an SF recruiter waiting at Fort Ord ( and other basic training post I presume) for those who had scored well on the basic entry tests. He (an SFC in Khakis with a chest full of decorations and wearing a Green Beret) came in front of the formation called out a few names of individuals to take a battery of tests to determine if they would be suited for SF Training. Therefore, my career path was Basic, AIT 12B, Parachute training and then to Phase 1 of the Q course. Completed Phase 3 in May of 70 and in August I was at CCN in Recon Co.
Of course I see now that things have changed and I admire those that are now becoming qualified as they really are "the best of the best of the best"
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02-21-2005, 22:03
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: SC
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My brother was SF in 64 - 66 and as I enlisted in Jan 66, I enlisted strictly for SF. I had to do basic, AIT and then jump school all of which took 6 months and I reported to Bragg on my 20th birthday. Spent the next 2 1/2 years in SF.
Joe L.
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05-22-2007, 13:18
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Vilseck Germany
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I think this would be the appropriate place for me to post, I'm already introduced. There have been several factors that ultimately led me to the conclusion that I want to be a special forces soldier. For one, judging from the quality of new soldiers arriving at my unit as we're gearing up for deployment reinforces my thoughts that I want to be with the best people I can be when the shit hits the fan or period. Secondly, being of middle eastern decent, and having a basic grasp of Arabic (which I'm improving daily with Rosetta Stone) I think that I could be a valuable asset to whatever team I'm assigned to, not to mention that I have a burning desire to have an active part in rebuilding Iraq (i.e. helping to train their security forces.) I guess it's obvious that I want to go to 5th group...
Although it's a dream of mine (possibly a little bit of an obsession) to earn a green beret, I put the majority of my plans on hold to get ready for 15 months in Baghdad. For the time being I'm going to be lurking around the site, which I gotta say is awsome, and gleaning as much knowledge as I can.
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05-22-2007, 16:32
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4 years Rgr Bn in a rifle platoon, 1 year 101st as a SL in the same.
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05-22-2007, 16:42
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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Williamston, SC
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ZERO "conventional time". SF ALL THE WAY for 15 years.
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05-22-2007, 16:52
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: NC for now
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My first 14 months in the Army I didn't have a patch on my uniform. Basic, Jump School, Phase one and Two. Then a two point question I got wrong was mysteriously discovered. In a test I took months before. Finished Phase Two with 699 points. Was sent packing to the 82nd for two years. They didn't like privates back then
Returned to the Q-Course and passed. I wasn't the only one. All the privates that finished Phase Two with a little over the required 700 points. Had all their test reviewed. No test review for people a little under 700 points. About six of us were re-graded to put us under the 700 points. No recycles were given. Bad deal for a lot of guys back then
When I did go back one of the other privates in this group was in the same class as me, small world. We both passed the second time. We both returned for the same reason. To finish what we started years before.
Years later a medic with the same first and last name as him was in Somalia. Helped treat the crew members at the first crash sight. He fast roped in after the crash. Pretty sure it was the same guy. Not a common last name.
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05-22-2007, 17:19
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lurch
In 1969 there was an SF recruiter waiting at Fort Ord ( and other basic training post I presume) for those who had scored well on the basic entry tests. He (an SFC in Khakis with a chest full of decorations and wearing a Green Beret) came in front of the formation called out a few names of individuals to take a battery of tests to determine if they would be suited for SF Training. Therefore, my career path was Basic, AIT 12B, Parachute training and then to Phase 1 of the Q course. Completed Phase 3 in May of 70 and in August I was at CCN in Recon Co.
Of course I see now that things have changed and I admire those that are now becoming qualified as they really are "the best of the best of the best"
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Sounds like the same guy that recruited me in April, 1970. First day in the reception center at Ft Ord was spent taking tests. That night, the CQ runner came to four of us and were told to report to the SF recruiter the following morning. The line he used on us was that since SF had been withdrawn from VN (after a double agent was executed or so the story went), we would not be going to VN like the rest of our BCT class. Seems the needs of the service overrode enlistment contracts and everyone was going 11B (I was going to be a 95C). We were tested again, I volunteered, stayed at Ord for 11B AIT, and watched my AIT company head to Oakland for VN while I headed to Benning. Made it to VN in Dec 71 with the FANK program.
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05-22-2007, 18:19
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Enlisted for airborne medic. Was going to go submarines in the Navy but my uncle was a SGM in the 101st and after he called and asked if I really wanted to spend 6 months at a time under water with a bunch of men, I went Army!
Finished basic at Ft Polk, got to AIT at Ft Sam and was called to talk to an SF recruiter the first week I was there. Left Ft Sam for Ft Bragg where I met some guys who taught me more than I realized for a long time!
Jim
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05-24-2007, 10:38
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Tampa
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kgoerz
My first 14 months in the Army I didn't have a patch on my uniform. Basic, Jump School, Phase one and Two. Then a two point question I got wrong was mysteriously discovered. In a test I took months before. Finished Phase Two with 699 points. Was sent packing
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to Europe on levy ended with a Pathfinder unit, served there 3 years. ETSd to B/1/11, served on a team as a NQP but had to decide between returning to the Q or finish up my undergraduate degree and get married. I chose the latter, which to this day is about the only thing in life I regret.
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05-24-2007, 14:07
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Florida
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7 years. 2nd ID Korea, 9th ID, 25th ID. When I ran out of challenges in the conventional army, I went looking for them in SF.
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Is there any upside to having your squad taken over by somebody else in that last year?
Since I do not have the experience, this obviously is probably not how it works, but the thought I had was that the presence of the previous leader who shows respect and helps integrate into the group the new squad leader, could thus get the team homestead with the new leader faster and, perhaps, further motivate (by the presence of another one pushing ahead).
I understand that there can be other nasty happenings during the wait or application, but another thread was pretty thorough on that. Please disregard this if it is a dumb question.
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It is a dumb question but I'll answer it because you might learn something that will help you out in the future.
There is this principle in the military called "unity of command" It means one person in charge. The last thing a new leader wants is the last guy hanging around giving "advice". The new leader needs to get in, evaluate and take charge. Once you get replaced, butt the f*&k out and move on.
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05-25-2007, 04:48
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6 1/2 years in the Signal Corp (Hey, I'm a Commo guy)...Korea, Ft Bragg, Berlin, Germany...
I was a section chief when I talked to the recruiter and started training for selection. My command thought is was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I was allowed maximum opportunities for PT (AM, Afternoon and evening sessions) as long as I checked on my troops and kept the weekly reports, etc on time and correct. Getting trained up on Berlin was a challenge but you do what you have to do in order to get the job done.
Heard stories, mostly from the combat-arms guys, about the dreaded "blacklist" once deciding to go to selection....
My .02, if your replacement shows up, he is just that. Show him where the bodies are buried and move out...
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05-25-2007, 05:16
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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A SF baby. No conventional time.
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05-25-2007, 09:33
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4 yrs ROTC/SMP got released, Then enlisted with an SF Option. SMP was not considered Reserve time in the late 70's early 80's until you got your early commission or reserve commission. Glad I went the way I went, no matter if I dropped rank, I gained a lot more than rank in SF.
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05-25-2007, 17:38
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Location: Castle Rock, CO
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not unlike NDD and others, i went to the 82nd, got out (spent time in the COARNG in an SF unit) and reentered the Army to serve in SF....after OCS, i spent 1 year in the 509th and transferred to 1/10 in Bad Toelz...
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