05-10-2016, 09:10
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Originally Posted by Billy L-bach
Lets not limit ourselves...
Jesse Ventura is also running on the Independence party ticket...
Then of course we have Jill Stein taking the lead for the Green Party...
...hell maybe we could even drum up some votes for the Prohibition Party.
#anyonebuttrumphillaryromneysanderswebbbidenbushca rson
I don't mind living under the worst possible woman to ever darken the halls at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave - as long as I don't compromise my election integrity and vote my conscience.
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To bad John got a new job with a gaming company....I thought he was going to take a Libertarian run. If nothing else, he gets style points
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05-11-2016, 08:40
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Originally Posted by abc_123
Nice plan. I agree with Pete. Get started at the local level. I'm more concerned with the hard choice that needs too be made NOW between the only two people that have a chance at becoming President NOW. It's vote for Trump or get Hillary and a Hillary appointed SCOTUS. Time to stop the wringing of the hands and the wishing for something different. It is what it is.
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I understand the position. Many Libertarian candidates do well in local elections, but the ballot access measures at even the state level make it an uphill battle to build any momentum off those local victories. Which is why that 5% needs to happen to clear away the road blocks the big 2 put in place every election cycle. I kinda do consider that "starting at the bottom". There is no expectation of a national level victory really until that can happen.
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05-11-2016, 08:50
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Originally Posted by Golf1echo
I recall a time when I voted for the independent candidate.........thinking the same ideals. It was a waste of my vote and obviously did not make an impact. I'm not completely sure we need three or four parties but I am convinced both major parties need serious reforms. If the GOP was smart they would already be deep within the disconnect of the Democratic constituency and pushing alternatives...if not GOP ideas then independent or libertarian.....pages taken directly from the liberal play book.
Bottom line if your not voting for one of the primary parties your giving away your vote to one or the other of the two candidates.
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In 2008 I believe the national return was around 2-3% for Johnson. The number of independent and Libertarian registered voters has increased considerably in the interim. This of course is no promise of a vote along those lines, but the general feeling amongst voters seems to be that what we have been doing isn't working. So that's a positive. The post mortem from 2008 also showed that Libertarians took about the same number of votes away from both parties, so the idea that they are splitting the vote in favor of one or the other is mostly lip service by the primary parties that are scratching for ever shrinking margins as voters are coming to realize that there is little difference between the two parties anymore.
To continue to perpetuate the "us or them" message isn't going to change anything. You'll continue to be given the choice of either a giant douche or a turd sandwich...and somehow rationalizing that isn't as bad as the other doesn't make it any better when you are still losing as a citizen. There is a time for everything. The situation may not always be ripe for third party advances, but it's looking better than any other point I can rememeber.
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05-11-2016, 09:41
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Originally Posted by Soulless
.....To continue to perpetuate the "us or them" message isn't going to change anything. You'll continue to be given the choice of either a giant douche or a turd sandwich....
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Obama didn't win NC in 2008 - the third party Barr voters gave it to him.
They had a choice and it was to elect Obama.
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05-11-2016, 10:30
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Originally Posted by Pete
Obama didn't win NC in 2008 - the third party Barr voters gave it to him.
They had a choice and it was to elect Obama.
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Could be worse. Could have been like WV....went the other way and was just dismissed as being a state full of bigots.
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05-11-2016, 19:02
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Originally Posted by Pete
Obama didn't win NC in 2008 - the third party Barr voters gave it to him.
They had a choice and it was to elect Obama.
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Sounds familiar. Before Scott Walker we had a governor's race. Terrific man, ran as an L, WELL known, solid values, overwhelmingly elected mayor of his town, great guy but wanted to make a "statement." Many of those who would've voted for him across the state had an education-deficit, in that they had ZERO idea WTF a Libertarian even stood for. The R candidate got thrashed & the demographics showed crystal-clear the votes that let his statist D opponent win & give us 4 more years of his scaled-down version of a Chicago machine.
Ol' Ed (RIP) told me personally that his running that time as a Libertarian was the stupidest thing he ever did (which speaks well of his candor & character).
Libertarians have a mission and it's NOT focusing on winning national general elections. It's an education mission & this will be multi-generational if they want to make it work. Forget the 25m target - they need to hit that 5-yd silhouette a bunch of times. Low-crawl/crawl/walk/run, etc.
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05-12-2016, 21:21
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Originally Posted by Billy L-bach
Lets not limit ourselves...
Jesse Ventura is also running on the Independence party ticket... |
I had rather not for someone who's persona involves Stolen Valor, conspiracy theories, suing a widow, serving only one term of a State with a kooky reputation, defending the assault of John Stossel (or a small man getting beat up by a large man for a ridiculous reason).
The hell with Jimmy Janos
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Originally Posted by Golf1echo
To bad John got a new job with a gaming company....I thought he was going to take a Libertarian run. If nothing else, he gets style points
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What if like Hilary, McAfee gets indicted? lol, granted it would be by another country, but still
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05-13-2016, 06:19
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Originally Posted by CAARNG 68W
I had rather not for someone who's persona involves Stolen Valor, conspiracy theories, suing a widow, serving only one term of a State with a kooky reputation, defending the assault of John Stossel (or a small man getting beat up by a large man for a ridiculous reason).
The hell with Jimmy Janos
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...are you suggesting that Trump is a better pick than Jesse Ventura ?
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05-13-2016, 14:10
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Originally Posted by Billy L-bach
...are you suggesting that Trump is a better pick than Jesse Ventura ?
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hmmm... that's going to have to be a toss-up.
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05-13-2016, 14:12
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Originally Posted by MR2
hmmm... that's going to have to be a toss-up.
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Ventura is surely more entertaining than Trump. After all, Trump's shows can't compete with Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory." 
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05-13-2016, 16:04
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
Gary Johnson - That's who I'm planning to vote for in the general.
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Given your number of posts, and it translating to the amount of time you've spent commiserating with QP's on this site, one would expect that a learned practicality might have taken hold...or, at minimum, an observed one.
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05-14-2016, 11:38
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Originally Posted by Patrin
Given your number of posts, and it translating to the amount of time you've spent commiserating with QP's on this site, one would expect that a learned practicality might have taken hold...or, at minimum, an observed one.
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Why don't you go fuck yourself.
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05-14-2016, 18:48
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Originally Posted by Roguish Lawyer
Why don't you go fuck yourself.
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Supreme Court appointments, RL.
...and who Trump chooses for his VP and cabinet. Give it some time...maybe he will surprise you.
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05-14-2016, 21:04
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Originally Posted by Patrin
Supreme Court appointments, RL.
...and who Trump chooses for his VP and cabinet. Give it some time...maybe he will surprise you.
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Like him or not Trump didn't get to where he is being a idiot, and he has accumulated the most votes in Republican history. I believe he will surprise many in a good way, if you are Bill Kristol or karl Rove types the surprises may be unpleasant.
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05-14-2016, 21:27
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Originally Posted by Patrin
Supreme Court appointments, RL.
...and who Trump chooses for his VP and cabinet. Give it some time...maybe he will surprise you.
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Yeah, maybe it will be Christie, or one of his ilk. 
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