GOP and self immolation

[Golf1echo]

Originally Posted by Patrin

As far as a centrist government...what is that? Who represents the right wing extreme, now, in America? The Tea Party? We know who the left is.

There is Conservative, or right (what is right and works), vs. every other inferior ideology...to include a compromising centrist.

A centrist (moderate) is just someone on their way to becoming a liberal.

I think that is the Million Dollar question..... what resonates to me is how we have become so divided so perfectly split and right down the middle. It has been so consistent and for so long, what else does that.....................nothing. There is something very systemic about it all.

I also take the aspect of white voters vs all others with a grain of salt, I don't see my constituency in those terms.

It always strikes me at the end of the Army Navy Game that we are all still one team.

[MR2]

How were millions of Coloradans disenfranchised at the Republican State Assembly when there are only 953K active registered Republicans in the state?

[Patrin]

Originally Posted by Golf1echo

I think that is the Million Dollar question..... what resonates to me is how we have become so divided so perfectly split and right down the middle. It has been so consistent and for so long, what else does that.....................nothing. There is something very systemic about it all.
It always strikes me at the end of the Army Navy Game that we are all still one team.

You're right, it has been systematic...there's been a blueprint since the early 1950's...back to when the world's communists flew in for their conferences in Moscow.

Listen to the GDCIC (gosh darn communist in chief) in his inaugural apology speech, or more recently, his comments in Cuba, his book, Dreams of my Father...what's the common theme? Colonialism.

Where did that line of attack begin? Southeast Asia, Central Asia and Africa. In America, it had to begin more subtle, the socialists / communists knew they couldn't do a frontal attack on a Nation that had just won a World War, was 90% white (that does matter if one can honestly assess culture), Christian and, as a majority, Conservative.

So were clear I'm not categorizing simply by race, copious numbers of black and Hispanic Americans fell into this category as well...albeit still a minority by the numbers.

Given the inequities in America in the 1960's, the socialists had a powerful method of attack to grasp onto...and they picked which party to infiltrate very shrewdly. White guilt would be their mace to brow beat the population with, and look at things today, is still the commies preferred weapon of choice.

The 1965 Immigration Act was perhaps the finest victory the early commies could have ever hoped for...Merit and ability as a screen for new Americans was thrown out the window to be replaced by a free for all for who can come...and a lottery system being awarded as a preference for third-world applicants.

I think many Republicans then, and up until the late 80's, either failed to comprehend or were saddled by guilt in one manner or another, to be compromising to the other side...the democrats...to be centrist...how dare they stand in the way of progress? Any which way they...Republicans...tried to slither out to make a stand, they would be flailed back into submission.

The 90's to today, the establishment, it's one in the same. There are few outliers that take a stand...cowardice by the Republican establishment has been an SOP for a long time and the half of the country that still loves of America is waking up late in the game when the commie democrats are about to complete the coup de grace in November, knowing that final control, at least of the presidency, will be a done deal.

The rest will fall into line, when 30 million illegal aliens, that have now, for generations, been on the dole, will vote them into permanency in most parts of the country.

This is why Trump is so attractive.

I also take the aspect of white voters vs all others with a grain of salt, I don't see my constituency in those terms

I hope you don't think that's what I meant went I referred to Conservatives vs. all other ideologies...because it wouldn't be. Conservative is not exclusively a white ideology...Frederick Douglas, and many others, being fine examples of that...but it is associated with the principles that made modern civilization what it is and if were being truthful...much of that is of European origin...or Asian.

It is what it is...and I hope I'm not coming across as a 'know it all'...far from it...my take is based off the many fine history / military books I've read and my own life observations here in the US and abroad.

[sinjefe]

Originally Posted by Patrin

It is what it is...and I hope I'm not coming across as a 'know it all'...far from it...my take is based off the many fine history / military books I've read and my own life observations here in the US and abroad.

Nah. If you want to be able to do that, read Sigaba's posts.

[Pete]

Still just under the table mutterings - but the mutterings continue.

Any rule change is an attack not only on Trump but on Cruz as well.

"Republican leaders consider rewriting convention rules"

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...n-rules-221972

"....RNC officials say Yue's plan is almost certain to be tabled until closer to the convention. But it will spark a months-long debate just as the scrutiny into the party’s internal workings is intensifying...."

If there was no thought of changing the rules why all the muttering?

[Golf1echo]

Originally Posted by Pete

Still just under the table mutterings - but the mutterings continue.

Any rule change is an attack not only on Trump but on Cruz as well.

"Republican leaders consider rewriting convention rules"

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...n-rules-221972

"....RNC officials say Yue's plan is almost certain to be tabled until closer to the convention. But it will spark a months-long debate just as the scrutiny into the party’s internal workings is intensifying...."

If there was no thought of changing the rules why all the muttering?

Sometimes you must disassemble something to fix it, not much I can do about it but looks like a dramatic convention coming up.

I don't see my constituency in those terms

I was referring to the constant bombardment of white vs all others. My constituency is better described as

I always viewed these kind of problems as an incentive to work harder, become better educated and improve my financial situation. I have never said or felt that anyone owes me anything. From Mark46th post

and I distinguish foreigners from American Citizens, if you are a foreigner here you better have a visa or a work permit.....weird isn't it

[frostfire]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Just stand in front of your mirror and repeat, "President Hillary Rodham Clinton" a couple of times.

Sadly she has walstreet support.
The devil that you know...

It seems inevitable at this point

[TrapLine]

I initially liked Cruz and respect that he has a history of standing for the Constitution. And although I probably align with him better than Trump, I never felt Cruz could win in a general election based on his socially conservative beliefs. I just can't see independants pulling the lever for him. However, now that he has decided to cooperate with Kasich in order to deny Trump, and thus the voters, I will have a hard time voting for him should he be selected via contested convention.

[Paslode]

Cruz Campaign Manager Jeff Roe said on Sunday:

Having Donald Trump at the top of the ticket in November would be a sure disaster for Republicans. Not only would Trump get blown out by Clinton or Sanders, but having him as our nominee would set the party back a generation. To ensure that we nominate a Republican who can unify the Republican Party and win in November, our campaign will focus its time and resources in Indiana and in turn clear the path for Gov. Kasich to compete in Oregon and New Mexico, and we would hope that allies of both campaigns would follow our lead. In other states holding their elections for the remainder of the primary season, our campaign will continue to compete vigorously to win.

Also Sunday night, Kasich campaign chief strategist John Weaver stated:

“Donald Trump doesn’t have the support of a majority ofRepublicans – not even close, but he currently does have almost half the delegates because he’s benefited from the existing primary system. Our goal is to have an open convention in Cleveland, where we are confident a candidate capable of uniting the Party and winning in November will emerge as the nominee. We believe that will be John Kasich, who is the only candidate who can defeat Secretary Clinton and preserve our GOP majority in the Congress.

Due to the fact that the Indiana primary is winner-take-all statewide and by congressional district, keeping Trump from winning a plurality in Indiana is critical to keeping him under 1237 bound delegates before Cleveland. We are very comfortable with our delegate position in Indiana already, and given the current dynamics of the primary there, we will shift our campaign’s resources West and give the Cruz campaign a clear path in Indiana.

In turn, we will focus our time and resources in New Mexico and Oregon, both areas that are structurally similar to the Northeast politically, where Gov. Kasich is performing well. We would expect independent third-party groups to do the same and honor the commitments made by the Cruz and Kasich campaigns.

We expect to compete with both the Trump and Cruz campaigns in the remaining primary states.”

Not one single word on supporting 'The People' or 'The Voters'.


Good bye GOP!

[abc_123]

Originally Posted by Paslode

Not one single word on supporting 'The People' or 'The Voters'.

I guess this is honesty by omission.

[PSM]

They must have stopped teaching Civics after I left high school.

The United States is a Republic, not a Democracy. The only directly elected federal leaders are in congress. Originally it was ONLY the members of the House of Representatives. Senators were elected by the legislatures of each state. Now, both houses are directly elected.

Political parties are not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution. They are independent “clubs” that like-minded members identify with and support. The “national” club has “franchises” in each of the states. The national clubs set the rules for delegate selection just like MLB sets the dimensions of the field: the distances between the bases and height of the pitcher’s mound are firm but the outfield is approximate. Primaries and caucuses are basically straw polls to get an idea of who is popular with the club members in each state. Many states, by law, now allow non-club members to vote on who the club should select as delegates further eroding the power of the states. This is like allowing non-stock holders to vote on directors of a corporation.

In the end, it’s the delegates at the club convention who decide who they feel best represent the club’s vision. (The Republican club has made clear, over the years, that they do not like conservatives. They never liked Reagan even though he gave them the two biggest wins in the history of the Republic. Nixon was 2nd. )

Abe Lincoln only had 44% of the needed delegate votes after the first convention vote; William Seward had 74%. Which one became the 16th President of the United States?

States elect the President, not the people. And they decide who’s nominated to run for the office.

Pat

[Pete]

Originally Posted by PSM

They must have stopped teaching Civics after I left high school..........

No, they haven't.

And everyone here is talking generally within the system.

Cruz supporters just love to bring up the contested convention stuff.

Sorry, Cruz doesn't beat HRC in the general election.

If - if - he can hold all the states Romney won - which ones of the Obama states will he take?

And the GOPe mutterings of someone else are getting stronger.

Don't see Cruz's name in this story.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...rty-prospects/

From the story "...“The Republican Party must be united to take back the White House,” Spicer said..." Yeah, righ!

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by PSM

They must have stopped teaching Civics after I left high school.

The United States is a Republic, not a Democracy. The only directly elected federal leaders are in congress. Originally it was ONLY the members of the House of Representatives. Senators were elected by the legislatures of each state. Now, both houses are directly elected.

Political parties are not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution. They are independent “clubs” that like-minded members identify with and support. The “national” club has “franchises” in each of the states. The national clubs set the rules for delegate selection just like MLB sets the dimensions of the field: the distances between the bases and height of the pitcher’s mound are firm but the outfield is approximate. Primaries and caucuses are basically straw polls to get an idea of who is popular with the club members in each state. Many states, by law, now allow non-club members to vote on who the club should select as delegates further eroding the power of the states. This is like allowing non-stock holders to vote on directors of a corporation.

In the end, it’s the delegates at the club convention who decide who they feel best represent the club’s vision. (The Republican club has made clear, over the years, that they do not like conservatives. They never liked Reagan even though he gave them the two biggest wins in the history of the Republic. Nixon was 2nd. )

Abe Lincoln only had 44% of the needed delegate votes after the first convention vote; William Seward had 74%. Which one became the 16th President of the United States?

States elect the President, not the people. And they decide who’s nominated to run for the office.

Pat

Sounds like we need a new club or two because they have been filling their pockets at the expense of the nations health.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Pete

Don't see Cruz's name in this story.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presid...rty-prospects/

From the story "...“The Republican Party must be united to take back the White House,” Spicer said..." Yeah, righ!

Kristol hasn't talked to all of the future delegates. Cruz has been recruiting delegates in states that Trump hasn't set foot in. Yes, if Trump won those state's primaries/caucuses they are, mostly, required to vote for Trump on the first vote (and FL the first 3 votes). After that, the delegates that Cruz recruited are free to vote for him (or anyone else for that matter).

As for who can beat the Wicked Witch of the Left, Trumps negative ratings are worse than hers. It may be a lost cause no matter who gets the nomination.

Originally Posted by Paslode

Sounds like we need a new club or two because they have been filling their pockets at the expense of the nations health.

In theory, yes, but forming a 3rd party would be political suicide. As Reagan said, the party has to be changed from the inside. I'm not sure that there's been any serious attempt to do so, though.

Pat

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by PSM

In theory, yes, but forming a 3rd party would be political suicide. As Reagan said, the party has to be changed from the inside. I'm not sure that there's been any serious attempt to do so, though.

Pat

I hear you.

Back in the day the only folks who could vote were land owners i.e. people that had a tangible stake in country. Then sometime in the 1800's the land owner requirement started going away......from that pooint forward everyone had the right to vote and make their opinion heard so to speak.

But as this election proves, either it was a ruse and nothing ever changed, or it changed and somehow it reverted back to the Land Owners/Corporations having the only votes that count.