Our awful elites gutted America

Penn · 05-06-2016, 15:47

This is an interesting read, and from Salon, never would have expected that.

Our awful elites gutted America. Now they dare ring alarms about Trump, Sanders — and cast themselves as saviors...

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/06/our_...es_as_saviors/

Trapper John · 05-07-2016, 09:02

Great post Penn!

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The election of Trump would end the Republican party as we know it, but more refreshingly it would also end the Democratic party as we know it. The limits of the academic left’s distracting cultural discourse in keeping economic dissatisfaction in check would be fully exposed. Trump threatens the stability of the fearmongering discourse of Sullivan and his like. The threat to their monopoly of discourse is the real reason for the panic.

Oh, and Hillary, good luck fighting Trump with your poll-tested reactions. Your calculated “offenses” against his offensiveness against women or minorities or Muslims are going to be as successful as the sixteen Republicans who’ve already tried it. You won’t be able to take on Trump because you do not speak the truth, you speak only elite mumbo-jumbo. Trump doesn’t speak the truth either, but he’s responding to something in the air that has an element of truth, and you don’t even go that far, you speak to a state of affairs—a meritocratic, democratic, pluralist America—that doesn’t even exist.

I have long believed that there exists a phenomenon of "Collective Wisdom" that cannot be quantified or analyzed, but it is very, very real and it is being expressed. And, IMO, accounts for the rise of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. They are two sides of the same coin differing only in the means to achieve the same end - a return of power to "We the People".

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Golf1echo · 05-09-2016, 09:38

With 19+ Trillion dollars debt, current spending higher than when we were in WWII. Elites in general and liberals more specifically are bankrupting "We the People". Program after program with no budget in place and somehow that is supposed to be fiscally OK. Start with the basics put a budget in place and be fiscally responsible, root out, identify, and prosecute the irresponsible who purport to represent us...then hit them with civil litigation. Even a child can tell you that money comes from the people and yet we have these Elitists forming profit centers for themselves and friends out of government agencies.
http://www.businessinsider.com/ameri...no-name-2016-5

Turning Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack into profit centers: http://www.investors.com/politics/vi...dministration/

What to do with an inconvenient problem: http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwo...x#345596f6237a

Usurping agency after agency: http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/mi.../02/id/726861/

No Elitist wants to see power flow toward "We the People", on the contrary they have worked hard to build their own little rice bowls and the last thing they want is integrity....right Harry!

Bottom line, our own government has looted the average American and traded their future in order to fund program after program...there isn't much left and the recipients of social welfare don't have resources to fund the ever expanding costs,, politicians know this so watch for more forays into your wallet.

Streck-Fu · 05-09-2016, 10:44

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Originally Posted by Trapper John

They are two sides of the same coin differing only in the means to achieve the same end - a return of power to "We the People".

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I can't see Sanders having any part of returning power to the people. His supporters seem to look for him to return the benefits to the people. The government retains the power to take those benefits from the earners and give them to the 'people'....

Trapper John · 05-09-2016, 11:59

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Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

I can't see Sanders having any part of returning power to the people. His supporters seem to look for him to return the benefits to the people. The government retains the power to take those benefits from the earners and give them to the 'people'....

I didn't mean to imply that the policies Bernie would implement (the means) would return power to We the People, but only to say that he is tapping into the same anger and sense of disenfranchisement that we feel with current establishment, political class, donor class. Bernie is as wrong as the progressive liberals, for different reasons.