Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned

[Sohei]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

...I lost all of them when the boat capsized.

I turned all of mine back in when I retired....

[pcfixer]

https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/04/c...n-rights-case/

The law at issue in the case, New York Rifle & Pistol Association v. Corlett, is similar to gun-control measures in other states. To receive an unrestricted license to carry a concealed firearm outside the home, a person must show “proper cause” – meaning a special need for self-protection.

Two men challenged the law after New York rejected their concealed-carry applications, and they are backed by a gun-rights advocacy group. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit upheld the law, prompting the challengers to appeal to the Supreme Court.

However, since then Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was replaced by Justice Amy Coney Barrett, whose vote as a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit suggests that she might take a broader approach to the Second Amendment.

[Combat Diver]

I have lost all faith in the SCOTUS after the Texas challenge to the election was denied.

CD

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Combat Diver

I have lost all faith in the SCOTUS after the Texas challenge to the election was denied.

CD

Concur. Rule of Law, date of death 11 December 2020.

[sfshooter]

I'm seeing all the hooplah with the Supreme Court taking this up (first gun control issue in 10 years taken up by USC). I think its headlines so they can slam the gun rights activists with a decision favoring the state.
As stated above rule of law (especially versus the constitution) has died.

[rsdengler]

We live in a Clown World, Politician's are in such a hurry to stomp on our rights it's sickening. They need a permanent boot shine boy on Capital Hill...

[Paslode]

Apparently the ATF is using the NICS to monitor law abiding citizens who make firearms purchases who they feel "MIGHT" commit future crimes....It would be interesting to know what litmus test the ATF uses to determine the pre-crime intentions of a person?

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/04/lea...#ixzz6tPndvLxV

[Old Dog New Trick]

^^^They and the FB_I are obviously not doing a very good job. Even when they get tips, direct phone calls and completed investigations into persons of interest.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

^^^They and the FB_I are obviously not doing a very good job. Even when they get tips, direct phone calls and completed investigations into persons of interest.

Yes, how many times have we seen the phrase "the alleged perpetrator was a subject previously known to authorities" ?

Sometimes you'd almost think thngs are allowed to happen.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Badger52

Sometimes you'd almost think thngs are allowed to happen.

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Badger52

Yes, how many times have we seen the phrase "the alleged perpetrator was a subject previously known to authorities" ?

Sometimes you'd almost think thngs are allowed to happen.

These occurrences are far too frequent to use words like Sometimes and Almost

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

^^^They and the FB_I are obviously not doing a very good job. Even when they get tips, direct phone calls and completed investigations into persons of interest.

But the new domestic spy agency USPS is a doing a bang up job stranding mail for weeks.....I just wonder what they are doing with that stranded mail?

[Box]

Originally Posted by Paslode

It would be interesting to know what litmus test the ATF uses to determine the pre-crime intentions of a person?

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/04/lea...#ixzz6tPndvLxV

Voter registration cards ??



Look... lets all just say the quiet part out loud.
Your life is not your own.
Embrace it.
Learn to live within the system instead of pretending that you can hide from it. Throwing eggs at the orchestra conductor is not going to help you - it's only going to make your life worse. You are better off buying a tuba, joining the fucking band, and just playing off key every time you are on stage - go for the little victories - you silly angry easily enraged bunch of hucksters.

***edited to add - the left has demonstrated multi-generational expertise at doing that very thing - why does everyone think our American bureaucracy is so socially biased and ineffective***

If you live in the USA and you do ANYTHING beyond the realm of cash and barter while living alone in your log cabin deep in the wooded mountains like Jeremiah Johnson - you have already surrendered to the system - you just don't realize it.
Anyone wanna guess why they called The Preserving Life and Liberty (Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism) Act, by the more cool sounding name, "The PATRIOT ACT" .
...because it was all just an act.

Pull out your wallet. Open it. Look at that funny little plastic coated ID card with your picture on it that you NEVER have any use for. It was issued to you BY THE STATE - and you have to periodically update that little plastic card to make sure that state has your updated information as well as a CURRENT picture.
If you drive the speed limits, obey the traffic laws, and don't get into any automobile accidents you will NEVER even have a reason to pull out and use that plastic card with your face and personal information on it.
...unless you are trying to buy sudafed at the Walmart pharmacy.

Consider the angle to that nuanced little bit of social control - the 22 year old check out assistant that hangs out in the self check out area at your local grocery store might ask to see your state issued identification if you don't look old as fuck when you buy a six pack pack of fermented oats or a bottle of rotten grapes, otherwise - you can expect to use that state issued racist ID card at Walmart more often that you'll use it for driving.

Bonus points - the state even makes you PAY to posses and maintain that drivers license that you will have produce before you are allowed to buy sudafed, booze, and guns.
Merchants see that racist little plastic invasion of privacy card more than the cops EVER will.

Then of course there is the legal documentation: when the ATF updated the 4473 to reflect Manufacturer, Model Number, Serial Number, Type, and Caliber to the FRONT side of the form - they succeed in creating a national gun registry.
Americans are generally just too ill informed or simply too disinterested to care.
Until that revision, the gun info was on the back, or buried a few pages deeper in the document. All they knew was that you bought something and all they got was a copy of the front page unless there was a good reason for the entire packet.
The 4473 that you sign NOW - every time you buy a gun - IS THE NATIONAL GUN REGISTRY they always wanted - so they don't really "need" to spy on you - they already know. We've already VOLUNTEERED that information to them.
Everything else is just smoke and mirrors - and a lot of noise to keep you distracted.

...shall not be infringed and all that jazz.




All is well, remain calm.
Nothing to see here...
...move along

[EricV]

Well, Bork said there was no general Right to Privacy in the Constitution. Notice that while they used that against him, nobody in the Gubmint bothered to rush out and get laws passed ensuring "Privacy."

Maybe they thought that rights not enumerated remain with the people?? Or am I misquoting the Constitution.

[7624U]

Originally Posted by Box

Voter registration cards ??



Look... lets all just say the quiet part out loud.
Your life is not your own.
Embrace it.
Learn to live within the system instead of pretending that you can hide from it. Throwing eggs at the orchestra conductor is not going to help you - it's only going to make your life worse. You are better off buying a tuba, joining the fucking band, and just playing off key every time you are on stage - go for the little victories - you silly angry easily enraged bunch of hucksters.

***edited to add - the left has demonstrated multi-generational expertise at doing that very thing - why does everyone think our American bureaucracy is so socially biased and ineffective***

If you live in the USA and you do ANYTHING beyond the realm of cash and barter while living alone in your log cabin deep in the wooded mountains like Jeremiah Johnson - you have already surrendered to the system - you just don't realize it.
Anyone wanna guess why they called The Preserving Life and Liberty (Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism) Act, by the more cool sounding name, "The PATRIOT ACT" .
...because it was all just an act.

Pull out your wallet. Open it. Look at that funny little plastic coated ID card with your picture on it that you NEVER have any use for. It was issued to you BY THE STATE - and you have to periodically update that little plastic card to make sure that state has your updated information as well as a CURRENT picture.
If you drive the speed limits, obey the traffic laws, and don't get into any automobile accidents you will NEVER even have a reason to pull out and use that plastic card with your face and personal information on it.
...unless you are trying to buy sudafed at the Walmart pharmacy.

Consider the angle to that nuanced little bit of social control - the 22 year old check out assistant that hangs out in the self check out area at your local grocery store might ask to see your state issued identification if you don't look old as fuck when you buy a six pack pack of fermented oats or a bottle of rotten grapes, otherwise - you can expect to use that state issued racist ID card at Walmart more often that you'll use it for driving.

Bonus points - the state even makes you PAY to posses and maintain that drivers license that you will have produce before you are allowed to buy sudafed, booze, and guns.
Merchants see that racist little plastic invasion of privacy card more than the cops EVER will.

Then of course there is the legal documentation: when the ATF updated the 4473 to reflect Manufacturer, Model Number, Serial Number, Type, and Caliber to the FRONT side of the form - they succeed in creating a national gun registry.
Americans are generally just too ill informed or simply too disinterested to care.
Until that revision, the gun info was on the back, or buried a few pages deeper in the document. All they knew was that you bought something and all they got was a copy of the front page unless there was a good reason for the entire packet.
The 4473 that you sign NOW - every time you buy a gun - IS THE NATIONAL GUN REGISTRY they always wanted - so they don't really "need" to spy on you - they already know. We've already VOLUNTEERED that information to them.
Everything else is just smoke and mirrors - and a lot of noise to keep you distracted.

...shall not be infringed and all that jazz.




All is well, remain calm.
Nothing to see here...
...move along

So Flood them with more data if they want more till the servers are full over and over. Hand the ID over for every transaction by writing See ID on the back of your ATM/Credit Cards instead of your name, point it out and say you did not ask for my ID that card could be stolen.

[NurseTim]

Originally Posted by Combat Diver

I have lost all faith in the SCOTUS after the Texas challenge to the election was denied.

CD

This is what clued me in as well.