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Not necessarily so.
Some technology is better than others. 
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I sure hope so TR! Having BTDT with hordes od bugle blowing "Chinks" flowing up the mountain at my position, we didn't really have the "technology" in those days to really stop them and were usually overrun and chased off the mountain, only to retake it in the daylight with Arty and air support. What we would have given for Claymores and better MGs, especially with quicker barrel changes., etc. We did make some improvised claymores using 55 gal. drums with napalm and rocks & whatever, etc.
All we had were M-1 Rifles, Carbines, Grease guns, .45 pistols entrenching tools and my favorite the BAR! Of course we had the WW II grenades too.
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05-15-2005, 14:43
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I sure hope so TR! Having BTDT with hordes od bugle blowing "Chinks" flowing up the mountain at my position, we didn't really have the "technology" in those days to really stop them and were usually overrun and chased off the mountain, only to retake it in the daylight with Arty and air support. What we would have given for Claymores and better MGs, especially with quicker barrel changes., etc. We did make some improvised claymores using 55 gal. drums with napalm and rocks & whatever, etc.
All we had were M-1 Rifles, Carbines, Grease guns, .45 pistols entrenching tools and my favorite the BAR! Of course we had the WW II grenades too.
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Hey Trip Wire, would you be so kind as to share some Korean War stories in the Briefback forum?
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05-15-2005, 14:46
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Who benefits by the US seeing the Chins as a threat? |
Who benefited from seeing Nazi Germany as a threat? The Soviet Union? The FARC?
You are begging the question -- there always is an interest group that wants to promote any threat, real or contrived.
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05-15-2005, 14:48
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I sure hope so TR! |
Hey, TW, I have been on those Korean hills for training in the winter many years after you were there, and it would definitely be difficult. Thank you for your service there in the "Police Action".
I was referring to the mushroom cloud option, in the event of horde attacks.
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05-15-2005, 14:52
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Who benefited from seeing Nazi Germany as a threat? The Soviet Union? The FARC?
You are begging the question -- there always is an interest group that wants to promote any threat, real or contrived.
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I'm not begging anything. The targets on 9-11 weren't struck by Chinese missiles. The Nazis, Reds and FARC weren't/aren't a threat to the US militarily. We fought the Nazis to save Europe. The FARC? Give me USASOC and a troop of dedicated Girl Scouts and 6 months. We never really fought the USSR militarily. And we won't have to fight the Chinese. The Air Force and the Navy are feeling left out.
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05-15-2005, 14:53
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As for Taiwan, in about 10 years, there won't be many ChiComs that ever knew anything but the way it is now. It will be OBT.
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05-15-2005, 14:57
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We never really fought the USSR militarily.
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Why not?
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05-15-2005, 20:43
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It was my understand you went to Europe because Germany declared war on you, so you had to respond to save face. I doubt the US would have entered otherwise.
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05-15-2005, 20:48
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Why not? |
For the same reason we won't have to fight the Chinese. For the same reason me and the TS and Reaper will never come to blows. It "f"s up too much furniture and surrounding countryside.
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05-15-2005, 20:54
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It was my understand you went to Europe because Germany declared war on you, so you had to respond to save face. I doubt the US would have entered otherwise.
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See Lend Lease Act. We went to save Europe because they were our friends and because Roosevelt wanted to. It was the right thing to do, but there was no danger of Germany invading the US.
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05-15-2005, 20:56
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So why not go in sooner? Like when Germany was sitting on Britain's front porch sending bombers over.
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05-15-2005, 21:00
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It was my understand you went to Europe because Germany declared war on you, so you had to respond to save face. I doubt the US would have entered otherwise.
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Prior to that, we were in pretty deep on the Allies' side, but were not combatants until the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, declared war, and dragged the Germans in with them as Axis members.
It does make you wonder what would have happened to the remaining major allies, the Brits and Soviets, had the Japanese waited a year or two and the Nazis had been able to focus their efforts.
The material support by the U.S. to GB and the USSR was very significant in the outcome. Unrestricted submarine warfare could have been another factor in the US entry against the Nazis.
Good history lessons, nonetheless.
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05-15-2005, 21:01
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So why not go in sooner? Like when Germany was sitting on Britain's front porch sending bombers over.
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Because the Brits had it under control, and we were shipping them war material as fast as we could.
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05-15-2005, 21:09
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Fair enough then.
I was referring though to the Battle of Britain, which was decidedly not under control.
There's a movie coming out about it soon with Tom Cruise as one of the...Eagles I think they were called? Apparantly he alone takes out the Luftwaffe, which ties in nicely with the US Navy obtaining Enigma and the US Army taking Normandy all by themselves
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05-15-2005, 21:29
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Normandy Invasion Casualty Figures (Total, killed wounded, missing)
Germany 320,000
U.S. 135,000
UK 65,000
Canada 18,000
France 12,200
The American deaths at Omaha alone were 2,400, while the toll for the other four beaches combined were about 2,530. Was there a joke in that?
Did the Brits need the U.S. to win the Battle of Britain? The RAF lists it as the Battle fought over Britain between the 10th July and 31st October 1940. We (the U.S.) were not at war then, IIRC.
Do not confuse Hollywood with America.
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