08-21-2011, 15:39
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Dude is a politician AND a lawyer...
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You're stuttering again.
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08-21-2011, 15:45
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Good idea for a Deadliest Warrior episode.
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08-21-2011, 15:46
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That statement is horseshit, TS. And you know it.
As a current NG officer who has served over 21 years in total... 16 of those years being SF Qualified and associated with Active and NG SF. I cannot stand silent in the face of that statement...
I resent the broad-brush insinuation that just because someone is serving or has served in the NG that they somehow hold being Special Forces qualified somehow more cheaply than those who are currently "active duty" or those with active duty time that never served in the NG. The NG SF wounded don't deserve it, our dead don't deserve it and those that continue to stand ready in our formations, oftentimes needing to sign volunteer statements simply to be allowed to deploy with their units, don't deserve it.
Besides... if one were to read the article more closely the one person defending Oh, is never reported to be a COL. He is reported to be former SF in Vietnam who then served in 20th. So I guess we need to assume that some other groups beyond "National Guard Special Forces" have a different view of SF Qualification. Right?
Wrong. That would be as horseshit as the first generalization.
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Well said Sir, and I suspected TS was stirring the pot.
I know and served with all three of the nitwits mentioned in the articles.
Oh was a happy go lucky Lt who never got qualified, he was a Protege of Nick Panarella, a CPT of 5thGp lineage and a low-life defense attorney who made a living defending the drug lords of Philadelphia. I am sure he saw Oh as a potential asset in the prosecutors office while he was trying to buy a company command. When he was not selected he packed his ruck and disappeared.
Oh fell off the ranks at the same time.
Croall (AKA Bigfoot) was of 7th Gp lineage and a good company commander, he was a COL when he retired and commanded the SOD during the invasion of Iraq. Croall and another unnamed Sr officer blew the whistle, Croall and the other Officer are 20th Gp.
At any time our 1379 was 130-140% and our Q was about 80%. We had to carry all the NQP's on our rolls. The only officer rolls on the MTOE for the Company were 18A's I suspect this is how Oh claims he was assigned as a 18A and given the out processing mess at the end of "The Great Disappointment" who knows what his 214 said.
The Guard SF is different as for the most part we recruit and grow our own. This is made even more difficult for states that have a lone line company without the build in support that a AA entity would have.
I am proud to have served 17 years, in the 20th Gp and to have worked with great AD and RC Soldiers.
This is not a NG problem but one of human nature.
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08-21-2011, 16:13
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~whole post~
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Well said and thanks for your service NG USSF GB! ~no sarcasm intended~
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08-21-2011, 18:01
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Originally Posted by Eagle5US
Dude is a politician AND a lawyer...
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Yeahhhhhh and not very good at either....
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08-21-2011, 18:08
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All of that...
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Nothing like hearing it straight from someone who has first-hand knowledge.
As Richard stated in an earlier post and you state here, the issue is that the NG does not have a TTHS account as does Mother Army. Everyone has to be assigned to a unit somewhere. You are going thru the SFQC, you are on some NG SF unit's books somewhere.
Currently the "best practice" is to leave potential SFers in their units until after they finish SFAS and then transfer in. All those bubbas go into the unit as non-quals and stay that way until they graduate and get updated in SIDPERS or fail and go back to wherever they came from.
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08-21-2011, 19:46
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This is a pic of David Oh from his Facebook page attending some event and doing what he claims he has not done - pretending to be a "Green Beret Officer."
And so it goes...
Richard
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08-21-2011, 20:26
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08-21-2011, 20:32
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shitbag.
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08-21-2011, 21:27
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Hey, quick question.
The last time I wore a beret, it had the SFA 10+ year crest, I was wearing also shorts, T-shirt, flip flops and I was busy opening beers for friends.
I'm ok with the uniform, right?
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08-21-2011, 21:51
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I had someone talk to me like that and....
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Dude is a politician AND a lawyer...
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A couple of guys got killed!
Stay safe,
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08-22-2011, 11:13
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David Oh
David Oh posted on his facebook page. He's attempting to act the victim.
David Oh, that was a huge mistake.
You might want to do some research on the "former" mayor of Atlantic City, Robert Levy. He also "pretended" to be a Special Forces soldier......
Now it is time we turn up the volume.
I wonder what the email address is for the PA. VFW and American Leigon?
Time we take this story to a national media level.........
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08-22-2011, 11:37
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This is a pic of David Oh from his Facebook page attending some event and doing what he claims he has not done - pretending to be a "Green Beret Officer."
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That's not a Green Beret, that's the Pillsbury Dough Boy in a forest green "toque."
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08-22-2011, 12:10
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I wonder what the email address is for the PA. VFW and American Leigon?
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VFW: http://www.vfwpahq.org/default2.htm
AmLegion: http://www.pa-legion.com/about/pa-leadership/
May want the local SFA Chapters to actively pursue this, too.
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08-22-2011, 12:43
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Nothing like hearing it straight from someone who has first-hand knowledge.
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As I've said so many times before...nothing ruins a good war story...like an eye witness.
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