07-11-2011, 14:26
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6.8 Dead?
Is the 6.8 SPC now dead for military applications? I've got a round sized non-SF guy telling me how SOF is going to the 6.8 exclusively...
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07-11-2011, 16:26
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I hope they do. Good bullet, IMO.
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07-11-2011, 17:38
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Originally Posted by MVP
Is the 6.8 SPC now dead for military applications? I've got a round sized non-SF guy telling me how SOF is going to the 6.8 exclusively...
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I think he is dead wrong.
Lots of reasons it isn't going to happen, well documented here.
IMHO, we are going to have a mix of M-4s and SCAR-Hs along with M-249s and M240s. No 6.8 in the future, AFAIK.
May make a decent LE round though.
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07-11-2011, 19:54
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6.8
GEN Schoomaker plainly said we are not going to have a bullet for SF and a bullet for the rest of the Army.
Then came the .40 for the boys and so on and so forth.
Probably we are going to migrate to the .40, but 6.8? Who knows.
Right now they are trying to figure out how to give Colt shyte-tons of money to re-cofig all the M-4's into gas piston guns.
And we saw how the "new" SF .45 project went down the tubes.
Now, supposedly the idea is back at SF command.
We'll see.
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07-11-2011, 20:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Angry Mike
GEN Schoomaker plainly said we are not going to have a bullet for SF and a bullet for the rest of the Army.
Then came the .40 for the boys and so on and so forth.
Probably we are going to migrate to the .40, but 6.8? Who knows.
Right now they are trying to figure out how to give Colt shyte-tons of money to re-cofig all the M-4's into gas piston guns.
And we saw how the "new" SF .45 project went down the tubes.
Now, supposedly the idea is back at SF command.
We'll see.
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Gas piston conversion is a smart move, should of happend years ago. I can put hundreds of rounds thru my M4 and the bolt/carrier are barely dusted with residue and not really hot. Doesn't need to be oiled either (hardly) and we know what dif that makes in the sandbox.
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02-05-2012, 01:08
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Piston is the way to go, with the 6.8
From the reading that I had the chance to be associated with, The 6.8 seems to be the best round to use. I would think that a piston system would be a good selection as well.
With all the different piston systems available, I just can't understand why our military can't decide. Remington ACR looks quite nice with their recent reductions in weight. With SOCCOMs decision not to use the SCAR Lite, obviously, we need to make a decision and stick with it.
We are definitely going to have to re-arm with all the weapons reaching their life span. We need to make a decision... 5.56 is reaching it's end in adjustments or modifications and a decision to move into the 6.8 with a new piston based rifle seems to be the best move.
If anyone knows the right way to go, it's you guys. I sure hope someone is listening.
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02-05-2012, 01:45
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My M9 still shoots 9mm...
...my M4 still shoots 5.56
If I run out of ammo during a gun fight, I can grab magazines from an afghan commando, or another American, or a Brit, or any one else in ISAF that carries 5.56. So, why would I want a gun that leaves me unarmed once my magazine runs dry? 6.8 is a gadget round. It may be the best single bullet on the planet, but if you cant support the logistics train behind it, why make the change?
Besides, it is my observation that most folks who claim 5.56 simply is not capable of knocking down bad guys have not really been very many deployments...
...or else they think that the dirt kicked up at the feet of bad guys should be killing them as it ricochets past them. I have watched guys unleash automatic weapons fire at a bad guy... pock mark the shit out of a stone wall, and then bitch about how ineffective 5.56 is against bad guys. Well, even an M2 wont kill a guy if you embed the rounds in the wall instead f the bad guy.
...maybe there is a self-aiming version of the 6.8 that I am not aware of.
...just my two cents.
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