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Old 02-10-2015, 07:56   #1
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WH To Send New War Powers Rqst To Congress

And the 'too much - too little" debates go on.

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Obama To Send His New War Powers Request To Capitol Hill
Deb Reichmann, AP, 10 Feb 2015

President Barack Obama is expected — as early as Tuesday — to ask Congress for new war powers, sending Capitol Hill his blueprint for an updated authorization for the use of military force to fight the Islamic State group. Haggling then begins on writing a new authorization to battle the Sunni extremists, who have seized territory in Iraq and neighboring Syria and imposed a violent form of Sharia law.

That will lead to the first war vote in Congress in 13 years — one of the most important votes faced by members of the House and Senate.

To get Congress to approve his request, Obama must find a balance between lawmakers who want wide authority to fight the Islamic State group and others, including members of his own party, who worry that a new authorization to use military force will lead to U.S. entanglement in another protracted war.

In 2002, Congress passed a resolution authorizing President George W. Bush to use force against Iraq — a vote that scores of Democrats have regretted and then-candidate Barack Obama used as a cudgel against his rivals to win the Democratic presidential nomination.

Obama so far has relied on congressional authorizations that former President Bush used to justify military action after 9/11. Critics say the White House's use of these authorizations to fight the terrorist group is a legal stretch at best. The president earlier insisted he had the legal authority to deploy more than 2,700 U.S. troops in Iraq to train and assist Iraqi security forces, and conduct ongoing airstrikes against targets in Iraq and Syria. More recently, the president has said he wants a new authorization, but has not released details

Lawmakers expect the White House to issue its language before the end of the week. Obama administration officials have had consultations with both Democrats and Republican lawmakers about provisions of the new authorization it is seeking. So far, no formal language has been submitted, although the White House has completed a draft, a senior congressional official said.

Another congressional official said the president will ask for a three-year authorization so the next president will have to seek renewed authority to fight IS. The official said Obama wants to leave open the option to send in combat forces if needed, but is not seeking an authorization that would permit a prolonged U.S. troop presence on the ground. The White House request also would not restrict the fight to certain geographic locations, but would limit the U.S. to fighting IS militants or any future group that evolves, the official said.

A congressional aide said Democrats will not rubber-stamp the White House version, but will seek to rewrite it to include bipartisan views. Another congressional staffer said the debate in Congress will not necessarily flow along party lines because, for instance, conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats alike have disagreed about two major sticking points: deploying U.S. combat troops and restricting the geographical area served by the new authorization. The second staffer said a final authorization will depend on the language decided on regarding these two issues.

The four congressional officials and staffers spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the ongoing negotiations with the White House.

Before Congress ended its last session in December, Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., who at the time was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, pushed his version of an authorization that would have limited operations against IS to three years and allowed ground forces in some circumstances. The legislation passed out of the committee, but was never voted on by the full Senate before the session ended.

Menendez said Monday that he has not seen the final language written by the White House, but said more work will need to be done.

"I think a good part of it is how we started in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee," said Menendez, now the ranking Democrat on the committee since Republicans took control of the Senate in January. "But there is a degree for some greater flexibility than what the Senate Foreign Relations (Committee) drafted."

Menendez said: "Finding the balance is the challenge here."

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, said the new authorization should be flexible enough so it can be used not only against IS, but also against whatever form the group takes in the future, as well as any groups that associate with or support it materially.

"Most importantly, the authorization should not impose any artificial and unnecessary limitations such as those based on time, geography and type of force that could interfere with our strategic objective of defeating Islamic State," Hatch said Monday on the Senate floor.

He said he disagreed with those who want to prohibit the use of ground forces or set an expiration date for the authorization.

Other lawmakers want the new war powers to be narrowly defined in a way that gives the president the authority to train and equip local forces and conduct airstrikes, but not launch a combat mission on the ground.

"I've been clear in opposition to boots on the ground, but I'd like to see what they propose and hear them out," said Sen. Brian Schatz, D-Hawaii. "It's traditional and expected for an administration to articulate their strategy to the Congress, so we want to give them a chance to do so."

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-send-war...-politics.html
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Old 02-10-2015, 08:23   #2
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Interesting that POTUS would do this.

For someone that can't say Islamic terrorist,
For someone that calls the Paris attacks
"randomly shoot a bunch of folks in a deli in Paris"

What benefit does he derive by asking Congress??

Does he think the Left and Right will take sooo long to forward a bill, it would effectively rendering his request moot??

Sounds like a win-win..

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Old 02-10-2015, 08:28   #3
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"Obama so far has relied on congressional authorizations ....."

If you believe you have the authority to do what you are already doing, why seek a new authorization?

That doesn't make sense to me.
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Old 02-10-2015, 08:29   #4
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Generally speaking, when one politician asks another political body a question - most likely they are looking for political cover should things go awry or the public grow weary.
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:45   #5
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/\ /\ /\ Yes, that way he has a way out if it goes south...."they" did it....not me...
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Old 02-10-2015, 09:54   #6
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"Obama so far has relied on congressional authorizations ....."

If you believe you have the authority to do what you are already doing, why seek a new authorization?

That doesn't make sense to me.
He wants to blame putting "boots on the ground" on Congress. And by Congress, that means House Republicans....
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And those tools will vote in favor of it. Watch.
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IF, I say IF they give berry carte blanch'e war power, and he does nothing..

I could see a republican win??

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Old 02-10-2015, 10:44   #9
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This president has a phone and a pen and is not shy about circumventing the Consitution. The aggregation of power in one office under this regime has been a well documented problem.

IMO, unchecked presidential authority is more dangerous than giving this president political cover because he is the snake with a pen - who now asks for cover.

Putting a check on this über-presidency consistant with the Constitution is a good thing.

Give him whatever he needs to specifically end ISLAMIC extremism. Let him chew on that.
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:02   #10
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/\ /\ /\ Yes, that way he has a way out if it goes south...."they" did it....not me...
BINGO! Consistent with his MO IMO.
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Old 02-11-2015, 14:08   #11
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Obama sends letter to Congress about ISIS

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/12/us...ress.html?_r=0

I searched and didn't see anything on this. Seems POTUS wants to legitimize what he's already been doing and get Congressional approval.
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Old 02-12-2015, 05:20   #12
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And the push back

And the push back seems to be coming from Democrats.

I guess that would make them racists.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/23...powers-request

Obama’s war powers request meets resistance from Democrats

"...In a closed-door meeting with White House Counsel Neil Eggleston Wednesday morning, the Democratic critics voiced concerns that the provision is too nebulous to guarantee that U.S. troops won't be sent to the field in Iraq and Syria.

"There's a lot of concern about what that phrase means," Rep. John Yarmuth (D-Ky.) said as he left the meeting. "I don't think that's an established [term]. It sounds pretty open-ended to me."

Eggleston told the Democrats that the "enduring" language was needed to empower the administration, for example, to send in ground troops to recover a downed pilot, Yarmuth said. ..."
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U.S. official: Plans in place for 25,000-strong Iraqi spring push to retake Mosul
...doesn't sound like near enough Iraqi's to get it done
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