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Old 02-03-2011, 15:50   #1
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Yemen - protests

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Old 02-03-2011, 16:29   #2
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OK,, Why did you post this link???

Individuals on this site engage in conversations, for entertainment, for education, and for arguments.

You don't throw up posts to see if they stick to the wall..

State your opinion, start an argument, laugh or don't post...

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Old 02-03-2011, 17:13   #3
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Sorry, I forgot to add my comments. So it looks like Egypt is becoming an example for other groups to initiate change but whether it is for good of the US or not remains to be seen.
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Old 02-03-2011, 17:17   #4
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Remains to be seen???????????

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Sorry, I forgot to add my comments. So it looks like Egypt is becoming an example for other groups to initiate change but whether it is for good of the US or not remains to be seen.
Remains to be seen???????????

This is the story folks should be reading.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20110203/162433368.html

"Egypt's banned Muslim Brotherhood movement has unveiled its plans to scrap a peace treaty with Israel if it comes to power, a deputy leader said in an interview with NHK TV.

Rashad al-Bayoumi said the peace treaty with Israel will be abolished after a provisional government is formed by the movement and other Egypt's opposition parties.

"After President Mubarak steps down and a provisional government is formed, there is a need to dissolve the peace treaty with Israel," al-Bayoumi said........"

Don't look for this to get a lot of play in the US press.
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Old 02-03-2011, 17:20   #5
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Pete,

I was talking about Yemen. There is a general disdain of Egyptian populace towards Israel but is that the same sentiment amongst common Yemenis? Anyone been to Yemen here and interacted with the population?
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Old 02-03-2011, 17:36   #6
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I was talking about Yemen. There is a general disdain of Egyptian populace towards Israel but is that the same sentiment amongst common Yemenis? Anyone been to Yemen here and interacted with the population?
It don't matter what the common folks want. The Muslim Brotherhood is starting to flex it's muscles - and they and their sub units are all over.

While events appear to be moving fast right now and everyone has that warm and fuzzy "Democratic" feeling look to the long term - like Hamas, the MB is going to cement itself in power in a number of countries.

In the next war between the Muslim Nations and Israel who do we back? Israel or Egypt?
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Old 02-03-2011, 18:22   #7
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IMHO, the Yemenis make the MB look like the Girl Scouts.

They are extremists and hate the Israelis (and us).

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Old 02-03-2011, 19:11   #8
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Old 02-04-2011, 10:39   #9
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IMHO, the Yemenis make the MB look like the Girl Scouts.

They are extremists and hate the Israelis (and us).

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Our relationship with Israel has always been confusing to me. I understand the arguments anchored on strategic partnerships/political pull at home/preventing another Holocaust. However, I fail to see how our (the USA’s) unqualified loyalty and defense of an aggressive/expensive Jewish state is helping our national security, regional stability, or, for that matter, Israelis! (Note: If I have to say this - I am not suggesting that we should allow for the destruction of Israel or ignore the threat of extremism.)

IMHO this article raises some valid points:
http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/163476.html

More broadly, our policy decisions vis-a-vis the Middle East/Northern Africa/Israel/etc are conspicuously short sited. For example: It does not take an expert in international relations to understand that supporting a single leader (especially a dictatorial one) is not sustainable for, at the very least, no other reason than he will eventually die.
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:42   #10
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I fail to see how our (the USA’s) unqualified loyalty and defense of an aggressive/expensive Jewish state is helping our national security, regional stability, or, for that matter, Israelis!
Maybe if the religion of peace would leave Israel the hell alone regional stability, or, for that matter, Israelis would be better off and not so “aggressive/expensive”.

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(Note: If I have to say this - I am not suggesting that we should allow for the destruction of Israel or ignore the threat of extremism.)
Yes you have to say that, because that is exactly what islam wants to do to Israel.

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
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Old 02-04-2011, 12:50   #11
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Yes you have to say that, because that is exactly what [I]slam wants to do to Israel.
1. I'm not Muslim, so I'm not sure why what "Islam wants" would have any bearing on why I "have to say that." I was making a personal declaration (for those that may have been unsure about the nature of my comments) that I didn't want to see genocide. HOWEVER--If we're going to anchor our judgment of a people on the contents of their religious texts, Jews and Christians are no slouches in the "destroy all thine enemies" department.


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Maybe if the religion of peace would leave Israel the hell alone
2. Could you expand on this? I'm not sure what you mean. Who or what is the "religion of peace"?
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Old 02-04-2011, 14:13   #12
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Dude, you better get up to speed real quick.

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1. I'm not Muslim, so I'm not sure why what "Islam wants" would have any bearing on why I "have to say that." I was making a personal declaration (for those that may have been unsure about the nature of my comments) that I didn't want to see genocide. HOWEVER--If we're going to anchor our judgment of a people on the contents of their religious texts, Jews and Christians are no slouches in the "destroy all thine enemies" department.




2. Could you expand on this? I'm not sure what you mean. Who or what is the "religion of peace"?
Dude, you better get up to speed real quick. Your second statement, "Who or what is the "religion of peace"?" shows you have not been paying too much attention to the news the past few years.

Now go back and follow the link in post # 4 of this thread. Do you see any benefit to peace in the region with throwing out a peace treaty that has kept the peace for 30 years along the Egypt/Israel border - well, in a fashion.

With the removal of our MFO forces from the border area do you think that will make things more calm?

How long before rockets are launched into Israel from the area and when asked the MB leaders of Egypt shrug and say "I don't know"?

How will the MB in charge of the border crossing into Gaza inpact weapons smuggling?

Things are going to get very, very interesting after the next election in Egypt.
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Dude, you better get up to speed real quick. Your second statement, "Who or what is the "religion of peace"?" shows you have not been paying too much attention to the news the past few years.
Pete- I understand Todd is using RoP to refer to those practicing Islam. Just wanted him to nail it down a little bit. Muslims in general? MB? Al Qaeda? Egyptians? Palestinians? "Religion of Peace" is pretty blanket--in the same vein as phrases like "The American People."

Your points about the borders and dissolution of a long standing treaty are well taken. However, as you say, the peace has been kept "in a fashion." I am suggesting only that we consider new strategies/solutions and not simply repeat what has already been tried. ("We" meaning whoever is making the applicable foreign policy decisions at that moment)
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Old 02-04-2011, 15:55   #14
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Pete- I understand Todd is using RoP to refer to those practicing Islam.............
You are wrong in that statement.

Do research on the term before claiming somebody like Todd uses it to refer to those practicing Islam.
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Old 02-04-2011, 16:05   #15
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You are wrong in that statement.

Do research on the term before claiming somebody like Todd uses it to refer to those practicing Islam.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AboutSite.htm

Am I on the right track? This is what I was refering to earlier.
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