Bodies of three kidnapped Israeli teens found, government confirms

[Team Sergeant]

Would someone, anyone please explain to me why the majority of American Jews vote democrat/socialist? There are things I've yet to understand.



Bodies of three kidnapped Israeli teens found, government confirms
Published June 30, 2014
·FoxNews.com

Israel's nearly three-week vigil for three teens kidnapped in the West Bank — including one with U.S. citizenship — ended grimly Monday, with the discovery of their bodies just north of Hebron.

The search for Eyal Yifrach, 19; Gilad Shaar, 16; and Naftali Frenkel, also 16, who were snatched while hitchhiking, ended even as Israeli forces were conducting raids in the West Bank, where Hamas operates. Frenkel holds dual U.S.-Israeli citizenship.

Israeli forces were massing Monday in the West Bank village of Halhul, just north of Hebron. Sources said the bodies were found in a shallow grave in an open field. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was expected to speak on the discovery later Monday.

"The entire nation is bowing its head with unbearable sorrow this evening," President Shimon Peres said in a statement. "Over the past 18 days the nation prayed as one that the fate of our wonderful teenagers would be that they are found alive and well. Now that the bitter news has come, the entire Israeli nation mourns the premature death of our finest youth … Alongside deep sorrow, we will remain resolute to punish the atrocious terrorists. Our war on terrorism will only intensify and will not waver so that this murderous terrorism won't dare to rear its head."

"Our war on terrorism will only intensify and will not waver so that this murderous terrorism won't dare to rear its head."
- Israeli President Shimon Peres

The abductions outraged the Jewish state as well as the international community, and several vigils and rallies were held around the U.S. during the intensive hunt. Hundreds of Palestinians took part in the search, dubbed "Brother's Keeper."

The three youths disappeared as they were heading home from a West Bank religious school. Israeli officials said at the time that one of the teens called a police emergency line around 10:25 p.m. local time and said: "We've been kidnapped." They were not heard from again.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas criticized the kidnapping, and pledged help in the search but denied there was evidence linking Hamas to the crime. Hamas, which governs the Palestinian territories jointly with the PA, praised the kidnapping without claiming responsibility.

Netanyahu previously left little doubt as to who he blamed.

"Hamas terrorists carried out Thursday's kidnapping of three Israeli teenagers," Netanyahu said earlier this month. "We know that for a fact. Hamas denials do not change this fact."

Israeli forces searched more than 1,000 sites, rounding up Hamas and Islamic Jihad suspects as part of the operation. Last week, the Israel Security Agency identified two Hamas operatives from Hebron as key suspects in the kidnappings, Ammar Muhammad Abu Eisha, 33, a locksmith, and Marwan al-Qawasmeh, 29, a barber. Both men allegedly disappeared from their homes on the night of the kidnapping have not been seen since.

Binyamin Proper, who was among the civilian volunteers that found the bodies, told Channel 2 TV that a member of the search party "saw something suspicious on the ground, plants that looked out of place, moved them and moved some rocks and then found the bodies. We realized it was them and we called the army."

Meanwhile, in Washington, White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters: "We obviously condemn in the strongest possible terms violence that takes the lives of innocent civilians."

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06...ment-confirms/

[glebo]

I think it's gonna get very ugly for Hamas...

[Ambush Master]

[QUOTE=Team Sergeant;555719]Would someone, anyone please explain to me why the majority of American Jews vote democrat/socialist? There are things I've yet to understand.

I Concur with that Brother!!!!

[PRB]

I never understood that voting block either...still do not

[akv]

Originally Posted by TS

Would someone, anyone please explain to me why the majority of American Jews vote democrat/socialist? There are things I've yet to understand.

I don't have an answer to this question either. I spent a decade in NYC and asked my Jewish friends often.

One gal didn't believe me that Sadaam had fired SCUD missiles into Israel in Desert Storm.

The only coherent explanation I remember, was along the lines of " We were the persecuted minority in Europe which led to the Holocaust so we vote Democratic here because they are the party that cares more for minorities, to keep it from ever happening again."

I would generally call BS at that point. Some of these folks were extremely bright and successful people by most standards, but I rarely heard different.

[Guymullins]

The Communist Party here is and always was ,headed up by white Jewish people. They encouraged the blacks to revolt by training and arming them with the help of Soviet Russia, the state that was persecuting Jews in great numbers. Now that Majority Rule has come to pass, most Jewish people have left the country, and those that remain, particularly the Communists and ex-Communists are bemoaning what the majority have done to the country. The Communists feel that the blacks have not gone far enough and have sold out to Capitalism and the ex-Communists have belatedly acknowledged that Communism doesn't work, particularly in Africa. All in all, they have sown chaos and now are walking away from it all apart from the loony bitter enders who call for the second revolution to nationalize industry, the banks and abolish private ownership of land.

[Paslode]

Some local Jewish folks I knew once told me that the Jews in Israel where nuts, they make trouble for themselves and they needed to get over the Holocaust. The same folks made a living off the military yet detested the war, Bush II and thought Bill Clinton walked on water. A former employer was of the opinion that many enjoy living like Capitalists yet they voted Democrat.

[hoepoe]

Originally Posted by Guymullins

The Communist Party here is and always was ,headed up by white Jewish people. They encouraged the blacks to revolt by training and arming them with the help of Soviet Russia, the state that was persecuting Jews in great numbers. Now that Majority Rule has come to pass, most Jewish people have left the country, and those that remain, particularly the Communists and ex-Communists are bemoaning what the majority have done to the country. The Communists feel that the blacks have not gone far enough and have sold out to Capitalism and the ex-Communists have belatedly acknowledged that Communism doesn't work, particularly in Africa. All in all, they have sown chaos and now are walking away from it all apart from the loony bitter enders who call for the second revolution to nationalize industry, the banks and abolish private ownership of land.

Boet, you really have a skew picture of Jews in SA.

Yes, the majority of Jews supported the end of Apartheid and saw it for the evil it was; but only a very, very, almost immeasurable percentage were active in politics. The country is a mess now, not because of Jews and not because of communism. Your view that all Jews are communists is reminiscent Judeo-Bolshevism and anti-semitism.

[caretaker]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Would someone, anyone please explain to me why the majority of American Jews vote democrat/socialist?

My initial response to what may just be a rhetorical question is: doublethink. But since that adds little insight, I present the following article: http://www.jewishworldreview.com/041...3#.U7J52blOWM8

[Kai]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Would someone, anyone please explain to me why the majority of American Jews vote democrat/socialist? There are things I've yet to understand.

I'm not Jewish, but I know many who are. My take on this is that the core of American Jewish philosophy is strongly altruistic; sacrifice to others is a big part of who they are. The Left in America is more consistently aligned with that way of thinking than the Right, so they get the votes. The far Right also has a strong Christian (sometimes theist) element, which tends to scare or drive Jews away. Yes, this ultimately harms Israel and even their individual freedom. The American Jew's response to this contradiction is Guilt -- although it sounds like a stereotype, it's also very real for many.

[spottedmedic111]

Originally Posted by Kai

I'm not Jewish, but I know many who are. My take on this is that the core of American Jewish philosophy is strongly altruistic; sacrifice to others is a big part of who they are. The Left in America is more consistently aligned with that way of thinking than the Right, so they get the votes. The far Right also has a strong Christian (sometimes theist) element, which tends to scare or drive Jews away. Yes, this ultimately harms Israel and even their individual freedom. The American Jew's response to this contradiction is Guilt -- although it sounds like a stereotype, it's also very real for many.

My thoughts exactly. At this point the community’s leanings are established and won't be broken without significant cause. Sometimes perception is more real than reality even when inaccurate.

[RomanCandle]

Originally Posted by hoepoe

Boet, you really have a skew picture of Jews in SA.

Yes, the majority of Jews supported the end of Apartheid and saw it for the evil it was; but only a very, very, almost immeasurable percentage were active in politics. The country is a mess now, not because of Jews and not because of communism. Your view that all Jews are communists is reminiscent Judeo-Bolshevism and anti-semitism.

I would submit that it is a mistake to throw the label of antisemitism when someone points out what is an interesting phenomenon. The interesting thing is that so many who supported the end of Apartheid and saw it for the evil it was seemed quite content to live and thrive in it for generations, yet within a decade of the end of that system found the new one to be untenable and packed for Perth. This is another interesting phenomenon not limited to the Jewish community by any means but could be seen in the context of a community that did indeed supply by far the highest number of white struggle stalwarts.

In light of your comment the other interesting thing is that big wall you have over there. Some may argue that the evil system lives on. I've always been fascinated that those that decried the old system would quite happily support the system in Israel not seeing the obvious parallels.

[hoepoe]

Originally Posted by RomanCandle

I would submit that it is a mistake to throw the label of antisemitism when someone points out what is an interesting phenomenon. The interesting thing is that so many who supported the end of Apartheid and saw it for the evil it was seemed quite content to live and thrive in it for generations, yet within a decade of the end of that system found the new one to be untenable and packed for Perth. This is another interesting phenomenon not limited to the Jewish community by any means but could be seen in the context of a community that did indeed supply by far the highest number of white struggle stalwarts.

In light of your comment the other interesting thing is that big wall you have over there. Some may argue that the evil system lives on. I've always been fascinated that those that decried the old system would quite happily support the system in Israel not seeing the obvious parallels.

I did not accuse anyone of anti-semitism, i did however mention that painting all Jews as communists was what has been used in the past by anti-semites (REGARDLESS, I MISREAD WAHAT WAS POSTED RE JEWS AND COMMUNISTS, APOLOGIES). Regarding the wall, do a bit more research, it's a wall between Israel and Palestine, not JHB and Alex.
They packed for Perth I assume, because as things are, there is a bleak future in SA, it's a fact, not an opinion. I mean really, live in paradise with a similar climate or live in a country with amongst the highest violent crime rates in the world? For some that have the means, it's a no brainer. When you write they enjoyed the "benefits" of apartheid on one hand yet were against it on the other, i agree with you, but that goes for the vast majority of anyone who voted NP, right?

Please, enlighten us to the parallels of apartheid and Israel. I look forward to reading your insights. There are none.

Hoepoe

[Guymullins]

Originally Posted by hoepoe

Boet, you really have a skew picture of Jews in SA.

Yes, the majority of Jews supported the end of Apartheid and saw it for the evil it was; but only a very, very, almost immeasurable percentage were active in politics. The country is a mess now, not because of Jews and not because of communism. Your view that all Jews are communists is reminiscent Judeo-Bolshevism and anti-semitism.

I did not say or infer that all Jews were Communists. What I did say was that almost all the white Communists were Jews. That is a very different thing. Many Jews who were active in politics were fine human beings, Helen Suzman, Tony Leon and many many others did the country proud in opposition to the Nationalists. As to the mess the country is in now? Much can be blamed on the Communists who are influencing the ANC both behind the scenes as well as overtly. They are behind the writing of the Freedom Charter and are trying again to get it implemented despite their alliance having agreed to the new Constitution.

[hoepoe]

Originally Posted by Guymullins

I did not say or infer that all Jews were Communists. What I did say was that almost all the white Communists were Jews.

My humble apologies, i admit to taking it out of context.

Ek is baie jammer vriend.

Hoepoe