Social Impact of Wuhan Virus

[Pete]

Originally Posted by mugwump

Predictions:

A push to make mandatory the use of internet-linked digital thermometers. The manufacturer of a cheap (sub $20) Bluetooth-linked thermometer can see infections flaring in the US a week before anyone in public health has a clue.

Smartphones become mandatory. Already a thing in China. You must be tracked “for the children”. Apps control access to public spaces. Also already in place in China.

Whoops, gotta run

That will require (as will be pushed by the left) that the US Government furnish a phone and data plan for all the great unwashed - you know, those people running around in $200 tennis shoes.

[mugwump]

Originally Posted by Pete

That will require (as will be pushed by the left) that the US Government furnish a phone and data plan for all the great unwashed - you know, those people running around in $200 tennis shoes.

The Dems had free phones in the bailout bill that’s awaiting vote. It may be there now, dunno

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by mugwump

Predictions:

A push to make mandatory the use of internet-linked digital thermometers. The manufacturer of a cheap (sub $20) Bluetooth-linked thermometer can see infections flaring in the US a week before anyone in public health has a clue.

Smartphones become mandatory. Already a thing in China. You must be tracked “for the children”. Apps control access to public spaces. Also already in place in China.

Whoops, gotta run

I'll buy a monkey and strap my cell phone to it.

Have a nice day MFs

[Pete]

I should not read some of these replies while drinking Pepsi from a bottle.

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

I'll buy a monkey and strap my cell phone to it.

Have a nice day MFs

Damn that's funny rat there! On the other hand, ya got me thinkin' That's a good idea too.

[GratefulCitizen]

Depending on the state, governors can wield significant power when declaring an emergency.
I think a statute or amendment to a state constitution regarding use of these powers would be prudent.

Perhaps an automatic gubernatorial retention vote 3 months after ANY statewide state of emergency is declared.
It would likely temper the use of such powers.

[tom kelly]

Originally Posted by Pete

I should not read some of these replies while drinking Pepsi from a bottle.

While I am reading the post's RIGHT NOW I am Drinking Diet Pepsi from the bottle. WATCH MY REPLIES !!!!

[Ret10Echo]

An interesting nugget here.

Curioser and curiouser

Per Bloomberg, Rhode Island Governor Gina Raimondo ordered state police to set up border checkpoints on Friday to single out cars with New York license plates so the occupants could be questioned and possibly quarantined for two weeks before interacting with her state’s residents. Currently, Rhode Island has just a few hundred confirmed cases of COVID-19, while New York’s infections have skyrocketed into the tens of thousands.

Posted: Mar 27, 2020 / 07:27 PM EDT / Updated: Mar 28, 2020 / 11:42 AM EDT

HOPKINTON R.I. (WPRI) ─ Rhode Island State Police troopers and National Guard members began actively stopping passenger vehicles with New York license plates on Friday after Gov. Gina Raimondo ordered anyone traveling from the Empire State to the Ocean State to self-quarantine for 14 days upon arrival.

Troopers set up a checkpoint on I-95 in Hope Valley where drivers with New York license plates must stop and provide their contact information if they plan on staying in Rhode Island long-term.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

An interesting nugget here.

Curioser and curiouser

You know the result of that is horse shit. Anybody running off to get away from the virus is not going to lock themselves away for 14 days. It's all about them.

They have to go shopping to get stuff to stock the house, maybe see other friends go out to get something to eat, etc.

Which is why voluntary containment doesn't work that well in the US.

If folks were serious they would turn those cars around.

[JJ_BPK]

It's a start. Who else will block the Cuomo refugees?? or any other state.

I agree with Pete, they should send then all home, with a restraining order.

Per Bloomberg, Rhode Island Governor Gina Raimondo ordered state police to set up border checkpoints on Friday to single out cars with New York license plates so the occupants could be questioned and possibly quarantined for two weeks before interacting with her state’s residents. Currently, Rhode Island has just a few hundred confirmed cases of COVID-19, while New York’s infections have skyrocketed into the tens of thousands.

[Pete]

NY Health Commissioner Dismisses White House Call for New Yorkers to Enter Self-Quarantine

Full story behind a pay wall

https://www.theepochtimes.com/ny-hea...e_3285372.html

"New York’s health commissioner on Wednesday dismissed a call from White House officials for anyone who left or is leaving the New York metro area to self-quarantine for two weeks.

“I would not follow that,” Dr. Howard Zucker told reporters in Albany.

“These cases are all over the country, it’s not just in New York,” he added..."

Why do we even try and help NY???

[cbtengr]

Originally Posted by Pete

NY Health Commissioner Dismisses White House Call for New Yorkers to Enter Self-Quarantine

Full story behind a pay wall

https://www.theepochtimes.com/ny-hea...e_3285372.html

"New York’s health commissioner on Wednesday dismissed a call from White House officials for anyone who left or is leaving the New York metro area to self-quarantine for two weeks.

“I would not follow that,” Dr. Howard Zucker told reporters in Albany.

“These cases are all over the country, it’s not just in New York,” he added..."

Why do we even try and help NY???

Damned if we do and damned if we don't. Cuomo and other New York talking heads make all that noise and puff themselves up, then when they gets some attention from Trump it is the last thing they want. The sun does not rise and set in NY.

[GratefulCitizen]

What are the long term consequences if all of the responses in the US work well?
Suppose the transmission rate slows, treatments are effective, and maybe the virus turns out not to be as severe as advertised.

Will Americans be lulled?
If there is a future pandemic of greater severity, will Americans think it's a case of crying wolf?

Who can be trusted to give accurate information in the future?

[JJ_BPK]

NY Health Commissioner Dismisses White House Call for New Yorkers to Enter Self-Quarantine


"New York’s health commissioner on Wednesday dismissed a call from White House officials for anyone who left or is leaving the New York metro area to self-quarantine for two weeks.

“I would not follow that,” Dr. Howard Zucker told reporters in Albany.

If NYC had numbers like Wyoming,, maybe the good Doctor would sound reasonable.
But NYC is a Corona-V hell hole and his attitude will only may things worst.


On FB I just had a friend say there will be at least 100,000 deaths maybe 200,000. based on what he watched on the view. These academics are only selling books and vying for jobs at CNN

[WarriorDiplomat]

Which one of the below 3 do you recognize?

A social panic is a state where a social or community group reacts negatively and in an extreme or irrational manner to unexpected or unforeseen changes in their expected social status quo. According to Folk Devils and Moral Panics by Stanley Cohen, the definition can be broken down to many different sections. The sections, which were identified by Erich Goode and Nachman Ben-Yehuda in 1994, include concern, hostility, consensus, disproportionality, and volatility. Concern, which is not to be mistaken with fear, is about the possible or potential threat. Hostility occurs when an outrage occurs toward the people who were a part of the problem and agencies who are accountable.[1] These people are seen as the enemy since their behavior is viewed as a danger to society. Consensus includes a distributed agreement that an actual threat is going to take place. This is where the media and other sources come in to aid in spreading of the panic. Disproportionality compares people's reactions to the actual seriousness of the con
Grass Root Model describes that social panic commonly occurs first through the people in society. The feeling that something meaningful is threatened is dispersed throughout everyone in society. This sense of panic not only displays itself through the people but also through areas such as the media and political groups. The media serves as a way to present the public opinion about the reality of the situation. This theory states that the media can't report concern where none originally exists. The media and politicians are merely an outlet for displaying what people are expressing. Furthermore, the media can affect the way the public sees situations. An example of this theory is how people cause social panics due to nuclear power. After the Three Mile Island accident, where there was a nuclear meltdown, people evacuated their homes even though no workers or residents living in that area were injured or killed. The only reason people in that area were aware of what was going on was due to the social panic that people caused when they reacted to the situation. This panic was caused by the general public, not by elites or interest group as in the models explained below.[3]

The Elite-Engineered Model explains that social panics are exaggerated or invented problems created by elites or people who are considered higher among others in society. These type of people produce fear among the other classes over an issue that is not considered dangerous to the society. The reason for these actions is to redirect the attention away from the problems that impact the elite or those in power. The people who are considered elite could be someone who runs a company or is very rich, as they may have connections with the media and are familiar with politicians that can make proposals in their favor. An example that illustrates this theory can be seen in the Russians, specifically the Czars, who turned the focus away from the anger of poverty by spreading a Jewish conspiracy. This caused mobs to form and kill Jewish communities. This capacity of the elites to control direction allows them to accomplish their own goals. They want to continue to benefit from the economic and political inequality.[4]

The Interest-Group Model are made by people in interest groups who direct the public's focus on actions that are intended to be morally negative and be a danger to society. They want them to recognize a problem that affects them directly. Unlike in the Elite-Engineered model, the interest groups are the ones who create social panic. Interest groups believe they are providing a public service because they will benefit from what they are doing. They do this by using the media to influence public opinion. If they are successful in doing this, it will call attention to their particular interest group, gain the trust of society and wealth, and be more advanced than opposing interest groups. An example that demonstrates this theory is when politicians, in order to get reelected, used the issue of drug abuse in the United States to cause social panic. However, even though they wanted to remain in office they still believed that drug use was a problem they wanted to address to the public.[3]