Nancy Pelosi has lost her mind

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by Penn

The left doesn’t believe in anything. They are nihilistic, that is their point of departure, along with their rejection of God, nihilist reject the idea of God, because God can’t be seen.

Therefore, their only rationality is to self. God has no place in their world. A world without religion as the foundation for a conscience, moral, and principled society is before us now.

Leaders lying for personal gain and power, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Clinton, a political party advocating 3rd trimester abortion as a plank in their platform, when 5-month preemies can be natured outside the womb and survive.

The socialist leftists are impeded by religion, it brings into question values, both personal and societal, exposing their disregard for humanity, a world without religion affords the nihilist the opportunity to slaughter without remorse: Hitler, Stalin, Moa, plan parenthood, come readily to mind.

If only the African American community with its rich heritage of faith, could unshackle itself for a moment, they would see the greatest killer of African Americans is the democratic party.

Imoo, we are past the point of reconciliation. The progressive democratic socialist, have left no doubt in my mind, that they intend to win at any cost. They have exposed their intent by attacking our collective history, our values, our rights as a free people to engage. The restriction on self-defense, counterbalanced by policy that promote to undermine the social good and expected behavior. Richmond, let the progressive socialist know that we are joined.

2020 election will be a watershed event, but make no mistake we must destroy them and their enherent evil completely.

Penn,

Although I do not necessarily disagree with your assessment I believe that the Liberal agenda really works right now due to apathy. The American public has chosen the Idiocracy as the preferred form of government. Willful ignorance of issues (as long as the Wi-Fi keeps working) is the norm. We can claim that the MSM is sensoring information or distorting facts…but for goodness sake we have the freaking INTERNET…thousands of information sources at your fingertips like no other period in history and people choose ignorance.

As to the presence and impact of God… yes, because liberalism (communism) relies upon total dedication to the "State" you can't have God and religion causing alternative thought to occur. What the liberals fail to understand is that the alternative thought is also a trait of academia…. So guess what group is the second to go to the camps? Ain't history a bitch?

It's also interesting from a historical perspective to read the writings of the Viscount de Tocquevill on America. de Tocquevill was confused as to how the young Republic manged to stay together as his native land of France continued to be thrown into turmoil and fighting… Constantly changing form of government and persecution of various groups. Chaos and death were the norm.

His conclusion? American faith and belief in a higher power (God) served to stay the chaos and bring together a disparate people. As the (so-called) progressives…dimocrats and socialists seek a goodless existence the fabric that holds the country together frays and is broken. This fact coupled with the understood process for the demise of a great society are catching up to us. The expiration date on the label is pretty real.

The rhetorical question is whether 2020 matters. I'd offer that it does only as an indication of how degenerate and apathetic we as a people have become…. Otherwise, it's just another news cycle.

Bread and circuses.

Stay safe... Stay ready

R10

[GratefulCitizen]

Liberals and conservatives each have a different basis for their morality.

Jonathan Haidt did research and reduced morality to five identifiable elements.
He determined the difference between conservative and liberals concerning which elements they value.

1) Care for Others/Do no harm
2) Fairness/Justice/Equality
3) In-Group Loyalty
4) Respect for Authority
5) Purity/Sanctity

Conservatives value all five roughly equally.
Liberals primarily value 1 and 2.

Basically, conservatives have a God based morality (due to valuing 4 and 5), and liberals have a godless morality (not valuing 4 and 5).
This is also why conservatives basically understand liberals, but liberals don't understand conservatives (both groups value 1 and 2).

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

Liberals and conservatives each have a different basis for their morality.

Jonathan Haidt did research and reduced morality to five identifiable elements.
He determined the difference between conservative and liberals concerning which elements they value.

1) Care for Others/Do no harm
2) Fairness/Justice/Equality
3) In-Group Loyalty
4) Respect for Authority
5) Purity/Sanctity

Conservatives value all five roughly equally.
Liberals primarily value 1 and 2.

Basically, conservatives have a God based morality (due to valuing 4 and 5), and liberals have a godless morality (not valuing 4 and 5).
This is also why conservatives basically understand liberals, but liberals don't understand conservatives (both groups value 1 and 2).

True GF but I'd disagree on your point of Libs valuing 1 and 2 as their lense through which they assess those traits is inconsistent with a conservative or Christian world view.

In my opinion the failure is in that conservatives make an incorrect and fatal assumption that the terms of reference are the same.

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

True GF but I'd disagree on your point of Libs valuing 1 and 2 as their lense through which they assess those traits is inconsistent with a conservative or Christian world view.

In my opinion the failure is in that conservatives make an incorrect and fatal assumption that the terms of reference are the same.

The "useful idiot" portion of the libs value 1 and 2.
Their leadership is only concerned about power.

[Badger52]

Don't dispute the 5 parameters mentioned. A major difference in #2 is that libs currently value Equality OF OUTCOME, rather than opportunity. This is a distractor, since Communists (witting or not) are allowed to lie. When they get all the keys on the ring, that notion of equal outcome will be sunk into the Marianas Trench.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

Penn,

Although I do not necessarily disagree with your assessment I believe that the Liberal agenda really works right now due to apathy. The American public has chosen the Idiocracy as the preferred form of government. Willful ignorance of issues (as long as the Wi-Fi keeps working) is the norm. We can claim that the MSM is sensoring information or distorting facts…but for goodness sake we have the freaking INTERNET…thousands of information sources at your fingertips like no other period in history and people choose ignorance.

As to the presence and impact of God… yes, because liberalism (communism) relies upon total dedication to the "State" you can't have God and religion causing alternative thought to occur. What the liberals fail to understand is that the alternative thought is also a trait of academia…. So guess what group is the second to go to the camps? Ain't history a bitch?

It's also interesting from a historical perspective to read the writings of the Viscount de Tocquevill on America. de Tocquevill was confused as to how the young Republic manged to stay together as his native land of France continued to be thrown into turmoil and fighting… Constantly changing form of government and persecution of various groups. Chaos and death were the norm.

His conclusion? American faith and belief in a higher power (God) served to stay the chaos and bring together a disparate people. As the (so-called) progressives…dimocrats and socialists seek a goodless existence the fabric that holds the country together frays and is broken. This fact coupled with the understood process for the demise of a great society are catching up to us. The expiration date on the label is pretty real.

The rhetorical question is whether 2020 matters. I'd offer that it does only as an indication of how degenerate and apathetic we as a people have become…. Otherwise, it's just another news cycle.

Bread and circuses.

Stay safe... Stay ready

R10

Excellent!

And you inspired me: Wi-Fiful ignorance of issues.

[Penn]

GC, R10, et al

For the socialist D卐M☭CRATic their political philosophy is centered around John Rawls, "Original Position". For those interested in really understanding and charting a path forward, you need to read all of Rawls writing, which in no small way is the cherry that finishes off the Marxist sunday.

Marx's inhabits the transformation of the Age of Enlightenment through the Industrial Revolution. Marx's examines the social and economic impact on society arguing for equality through a classless society. Rawls embraces Marx's and moves the conversation to include Equality in "Fairness" and "Justice".

The original position is a central feature of John Rawls’s social contract account of justice, “justice as fairness,” set forth in A Theory of Justice (TJ). The original position is designed to be a fair and impartial point of view that is to be adopted in our reasoning about fundamental principles of justice. In taking up this point of view, we are to imagine ourselves in the position of free and equal persons who jointly agree upon and commit themselves to principles of social and political justice. The main distinguishing feature of the original position is “the veil of ignorance”: to insure impartiality of judgment, the parties are deprived of all knowledge of their personal characteristics and social and historical circumstances. They do know of certain fundamental interests they all have, plus general facts about psychology, economics, biology, and other social and natural sciences. The parties in the original position are presented with a list of the main conceptions of justice drawn from the tradition of social and political philosophy, and are assigned the task of choosing from among these alternatives the conception of justice that best advances their interests in establishing conditions that enable them to effectively pursue their final ends and fundamental interests. Rawls contends that the most rational choice for the parties in the original position are two principles of justice: The first guarantees the equal basic rights and liberties needed to secure the fundamental interests of free and equal citizens and to pursue a wide range of conceptions of the good. The second principle provides fair equality of educational and employment opportunities enabling all to fairly compete for powers and positions of office; and it secures for all a guaranteed minimum of the all-purpose means (including income and wealth) that individuals need to pursue their interests and to maintain their self-respect as free and equal persons.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/original-position/

Related Cross reference from the Thread of Socital Collapse
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...4&postcount=45

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Stanford citing Rawls

The second principle provides fair equality of educational and employment opportunities enabling all to fairly compete for powers and positions of office; and it secures for all a guaranteed minimum of the all-purpose means (including income and wealth) that individuals need to pursue their interests and to maintain their self-respect as free and equal persons

It is this flaw that is a de-incentivizer when carried into action, which is why it's properly categorized as philosophy rather than practical economics. No tyrant, having already secured their fortune, who can grant the subjectively-defined means for an individual recipient to "maintain their self-respect" (at the expense of other more industrious people) is someone who can be trusted to do other than the minimum it takes to prevent rebellion & upsetting their version of the status quo. The only exceptions to this in history are with those where the overseer(s) of the policy were also participating and were faced with starvation.

Just my $.02, which is almost a .22 LR round these days.

[Penn]

To be clear. The intent here is to bring into focus the playground of the AOC and the New Socialist D卐M☭CRATic party. The post in to inform, rather than debate. To understand the Socialist D卐M☭CRATic source for social justice, division, etc., etc,.

It has been a long read, requiring a lot of cross research on my part, and as I have little interest in philosophical pursuits this is work. I came upon following social contract theory. Rawls is this era's political philosopher, (moo) and as such, to understand more fully, what their social argument is and what it is based on.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Penn

To be clear.

No worries, gotcha. Not debating you but when seeing the philosophical starting points & flowery words behind this horsehockey, from whatever generation re-writes it, I'm triggered (I learned this term in the last couple years) to point at the functional side where people live. It's a visceral - but long thought out - reaction that is no different than someone having the waciss oppressor audacity to ask Sanders, AOC, Warren et al "uh, how are you going to pay for that?"[/curmudgeon]

[Box]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

Jonathan Haidt did research and reduced morality to five identifiable elements. He determined the difference between conservative and liberals concerning which elements they value.

1) Care for Others/Do no harm
2) Fairness/Justice/Equality
3) In-Group Loyalty
4) Respect for Authority
5) Purity/Sanctity

Conservatives value all five roughly equally.
Liberals primarily value 1 and 2.

Basically, conservatives have a God based morality (due to valuing 4 and 5), and liberals have a godless morality (not valuing 4 and 5).
This is also why conservatives basically understand liberals, but liberals don't understand conservatives (both groups value 1 and 2).

I don't think I could disagree MORE with that viewpoint.

Liberals DO NOT demonstrate a desire to "do no harm" - they repeatedly and zealously display the exact opposite intentions.

A "do no harm" approach to morality suggests that I will leave you to your own devices. I will not intervene in your affairs. I will not force my value system upon you.
Well, it is my observation that NEITHER side of the political spectrum can lay claim to a sincere "do no harm" attitude.
...forget for a moment that I am a rabid, unapologetic, hypocritical, bitter, partisan conservative:

-Conservatives want to legislate when you can buy booze on Sunday. Conservatives want to legislate what kind of plants you can smoke. In short my dear conservative colleagues want to legislate morality.
-Liberals want to legislate your acceptance of their values. Liberal want to legislate how you celebrate your religion. Liberals want to legislate how your children are educated. Liberals even want to legislate how you manage your finances and property.


Caring for others suggests a charitable approach to society at large. Liberals would stop churches from running soup kitchens because they didn't pay for the appropriate food service permits. Liberals run the most dangerous and harmful cities in America by passing laws that do NOTHING to impact criminals choosing instead to pass laws that restrict law abiding citizens. conservative pass laws that allow EVERYONE to keep more of their own money.

Liberals absolutely disrespect the essence of Fairness/Justice/Equality. Liberals have fought a brutal (admittedly bloodless) cultural war to force "gender-norming" on the American public. Liberals have fought to "award" people based on identify groups and not ability. Liberals fight to advance special treatment over equal treatment.
...liberals are why MEN now hold world records in WOMENS sporting events.

Liberals DEMAND In-Group Loyalty - its why Ellen Degenerous was lambasted in the media for sitting next to a former president at a sporting event. It is why Vince Vaughn was lambasted for shaking hands with a president. It is why Kanye West is now persona-non-grata in liberal circles. In-Group Loyalty is the top priority of the left.

Liberals DEMAND respect of their authority. (however, they will refuse to respect anyone else's authority)
Its why Nancy Pelosi thinks "she" is equal to the president. Its why house democrats think they can dictate how the senate performs their duties. Its why Virginia is a political shit show.
Its also why the "counterculture" of the 1960's has spent the last 50 years trying to overthrow the nations power structure. Its why "hands up don't shoot" became such a national outcry for race baiting liberals (even though is was founded on a known lie). Its also why a football player kneeling in prayer is unacceptable, but kneeling in protest of authority is worshiped.
Liberals DEMAND respect of their authority but they do NOT respect any one else's authority.

Jonathan Haidt's research is WAAAAY off the mark in his rose-colored assessment of liberal morals. It is impossible to base your theory on a set of morals when you practice overt moral relativity. The fact that an academic would advance a proposal that liberals profess the morals of compassion and fairness tells me that he probably votes democrat and more specifically that he likely provides active support to the cLint0n crime syndicate.

...just my two cents. I could be wrong

[tonyz]

Short, simple but helpful in its simplicity - there are longer, more in-depth discussions, columns and commentary on his web site.

Dennis Prager - the left ruins everything.

Dennis Prager
Mar 25, 2019

From the Boy Scouts to literature, from the arts to universities: the left ruins everything it touches. Dennis Prager explains.

https://www.prageru.com/video/the-le...ns-everything/

Transcript below for those who prefer to read rather than watch.

If what I am about to tell you is true, almost everything we most treasure – freedom, beauty, reason, the family, economic well-being, and even goodness – is in jeopardy.

Who or what poses this threat?

The answer is the most powerful ideology of the last hundred years: leftism. Not liberalism; leftism – or, if you prefer, "progressivism."

Leftism destroys everything it touches.

Here are a just a few examples:

1. The universities

Perhaps the most obvious example – one that many liberals acknowledge – is the left's near destruction of most universities as places of learning. In the words of Harvard professor Steven Pinker – an atheist and a liberal – because of the left, "universities are becoming laughing stocks of intolerance."

At almost every university – and now high schools and even elementary schools – students are taught to shut down – not debate – those who differ with them. And to rely on feelings rather than reason.

2. The arts

Throughout history, the primary purpose of art was to elevate people – through beauty, artistic excellence, and emotional depth. To the left, the primary purpose of art, sculpture, and music is to shock. That's why so much contemporary art is meaningless, and involves the scatological, meaning urine and feces.

Yes, urine and feces. To give one of countless examples, in 2016, the Guggenheim Museum in New York featured a pure-gold working toilet, which visitors were invited to use. The name of the exhibit was "America" – so one could literally relieve oneself on America.

3. Literature

The English department at the University of Pennsylvania replaced the portrait of the greatest English-language writer who ever lived, William Shakespeare, with a picture of a black lesbian poet. Why? Because he was a white European male. Leftist professors have replaced the pursuit of excellence with the pursuit of diversity.

4. Late-night television

In America, late-night television shows were completely apolitical. The hosts believed their role was to entertain viewers and offer them relief and laughter after a difficult day. No longer. You cannot watch late-night television if you just want to be entertained. Late-night TV is now left-night TV.

5. Religion

The left has ruined much of mainstream Protestantism and Catholicism, and non-Orthodox Judaism, which are now little more than left-wing organizations with religious symbols. In many churches and synagogues, one is more likely to hear the clergy talk about political issues than about any other subject, including even the Bible.

6. Free Speech

If there was anything virtually every American considered a bedrock value, it was freedom of speech. Yet, the left is destroying even this unique American achievement. Almost half of America's young people say they believe in free speech – but not for "hate speech." Yet, the whole point of free speech is that it allows people to express any political or social position, including what any one of us considers "hate speech." And "hate speech" now means "any position the left differs with."

7. Race

America has become the least racist multi-racial society in world history. On a daily basis, Americans of every race and ethnicity get along superbly. But the left constantly poisons young minds with angry diatribes about "systemic racism," "micro aggressions," and "white privilege."

8. The Boy Scouts

The left is destroying the Boy Scouts. They're not even the Boy Scouts anymore; they're just the Scouts. The left forced them to admit girls.

Here's the thing about the left: it only destroys. It doesn't build. The Boy Scouts have helped shape tens of millions of boys into independent, strong, good men. So where is the left-wing version of the Boy Scouts? It doesn't exist. There is none.

9. Male-female

In some ways scariest of all, the left is committed to ending male and female as distinct categories. Children are increasingly raised not to think of themselves as a boy or a girl. Teachers are told not to refer to their students as "boys" or "girls," just "students." In New York City, parents do not have to check off male or female on their newborn's birth certificate. They can check off "x." All this imposed gender confusion can only end up producing confused people and a confused society.

So why does the left engage in so much destruction? Because it thinks America is essentially a bad country. But America is only bad compared to Utopia. And the left is utopian.

[Badger52]

8 & 9. They're going to paint themselves into a corner; and we're starting to see that with the push-back against "today I'm female" HS athletes.

Gender-based outcomes don't matter when genders don't.

[Box]

America truly would be Utopia to the left...
...if they could just get rid of all the Americans

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Box

America truly would be Utopia to the left...
...if they could just get rid of all the Americans

Lol, they’re sure as hell working on it !

ETA - Box’s observations in post #71 above are well worth the time to reread !