18E course shortened

Rodge44 · 07-31-2005, 01:32

didnt see it posted yet, but the 18E course has been shortened to 26 weeks insted of the 37 weeks that it was. thought someone might be interested. not sure what exactly they took out to shorten it.

Guy · 07-31-2005, 03:27

IMC?

Take care.

**The Reaper** · 07-31-2005, 07:58

IMC came out in 2002.

It was replaced by computer and network courses.

TR

**Jack Moroney (RIP)** · 07-31-2005, 11:43

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

IMC came out in 2002.

It was replaced by computer and network courses.

TR

Yet another battle lost

**The Reaper** · 07-31-2005, 11:58

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Originally Posted by Jack Moroney

Yet another battle lost

Yes, but you bought 20 years in the delaying action, Boss, so it is not all bad.

TR

**The Reaper** · 07-31-2005, 21:48

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

I am ignorant obviously right now, but isn't shortening the 18E course a bad thing?

It depends.

TR

Rodge44 · 08-01-2005, 04:55

I actually had the chance to go to Sage with guys who had just finishe the long 18E course, and guys from the new shortend one (they both finished at the same time because of the new schedul...needless to say we had 4 echos on each team, so we had no problem with comms!) both groups were equally competent in commo. i talk to some guys and found out that they took out morrse code (if i spelled that right, im a bravo) and focuse more on satcom.

Guy · 08-01-2005, 16:00

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

IMC came out in 2002.

It was replaced by computer and network courses.

TR

New era, totally dependant on a support structure.

Take care.

Tuukka · 08-01-2005, 17:01

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Originally Posted by Jack Moroney

Yet another battle lost

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**Jack Moroney (RIP)** · 08-01-2005, 19:33

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sandytroop · 09-06-2005, 12:43

I'm back with the 19th, trying to get into the Echo course now (I'm a Charlie, but we need Echos as always, and I figure I can contribute there...). It's always distressing to me when they drop a tool from the kit, in this case AIMC. As a Charlie, I attended ANCOC and spent plenty of time learning about NonL blasting, and enjoyed the talk about replacing all that "old" gear with nonL. Then I took my Old butt to Thailand, where our students suddenly produced a foot locker full of various demo materials. I went through the course in 80, and spent 2 years as a civilian blaster, so none of this was aproblem for me. We discovered caps, but no time fuse... oh, looky here, this looks like time fuse! I was dubious... burnt a piece... it ran 30 feet per second... that's right scouts, Quarry fuse. Hmmm.. wonder if they talk about that in their nonL classes? Not enought to work with, we found 5 kinds of electric caps, nothing military... no blasting machine, but we did have an echo, so that means we had batteries. A brilliant day of demo training ensued (including a very educational missfire...), all because I made it my rule years ago: If they don't have it where you're going, you don't need to worry bout using it THERE. Number 1, make sure you learn to use what you' WILL have not just what you DO have.

IMC is in that school. What happens when you're not making commo? Pray that some old salty like Valentine pops over and says "Hey, no sweat, I have my key in my ruck. Here's the diagram, cut me a (di-pole, / directed wave / whatever...) antenna and we'll bounce the signal off the moon, and have everything we need by BMNT..." Big smile on his face, because he knew he could do it. I appreciate and respect the technology we have now, but we should never disrespect our roots, or forget the fact that a very nice fire can be made with 2 pieces of bamboo, a little training and a lot of enthusiasm.

LongWire · 01-20-2006, 13:46

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Originally Posted by sandytroop

IMC is in that school. What happens when you're not making commo? Pray that some old salty like Valentine pops over and says "Hey, no sweat, I have my key in my ruck. Here's the diagram, cut me a (di-pole, / directed wave / whatever...) antenna and we'll bounce the signal off the moon, and have everything we need by BMNT..." Big smile on his face, because he knew he could do it. I appreciate and respect the technology we have now, but we should never disrespect our roots, or forget the fact that a very nice fire can be made with 2 pieces of bamboo, a little training and a lot of enthusiasm.

I agree, I went through 16 weeks of code because I just couldnt hear it the first 8 weeks.........I will stack up the L tapes against SERE School anytime......anyways heres the thing, I would agree that it would be nice to fall back on HF and be able to use code.........the reality is that we have so much technoligcal stuff at our disposal now that its really not necessary, and I know what your gonna say, but the fact of the matter is that the Sigdet boys have a hard enough time looking at the stuff they are supposed to be looking at already. Which means that they just dont monitor other areas of the spectrum anymore. We carry enough portable systems for contingencies that if we do have hiccups that we have backup.

With that being said, I Love HF,I hated the E co course, I was disgruntled as I went through because it was not my first choice, anyways when we went to our commex at Ft Chaffee, now Ft Smith my buddy convinced me that we needed to set up a super antenna. Who am I to argue? We got all the wire we had, a couple spools of gray 50, and a bunch of claymore wire, and my chunkin device 2 snaplinks taped together with 550 line, and proceeded to emplace a 535' half wave Rhombic antenna.

We had a couple of other buddies that had gotten their General Ham Licenses, so they started working the Maritime network for us and just about everyone that could get to our position got to talk to their wives via phone patch.We also talked to alot of hams out there, to include hitting Hawaii at around dusk. I Loved Commo and HF especially since that time. Its too bad because there were alot of advantages to that kind of through put. Times are a changin...............

QRQ 30 · 01-20-2006, 14:53

It is just a change in the times. One of these years we will have to return to our UW roots and be able to use more basic means of communications, including non-electronic. Then the course will also adapt.

That's the mark of a good SF trooper : adaptability.

QRQ 30 · 01-20-2006, 14:57

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Originally Posted by QRQ 30

It is just a change in the times. One of these years we will have to return to our UW roots and be able to use more basic means of communications, including non-electronic. Then the course will also adapt.

That's the mark of a good SF trooper : adaptability.

25 years ago the CG of the 4th ID required his troops to communicate with visual signals at least once a week while in the field. In the event of nuclear war (which is still a real threat) it was presumed that EMP would fry all electronic circuits. As far as I know comsats are not capable of defending themselves.

LongWire · 01-20-2006, 15:18

The Truth is with all the stuff we have available its very hard as an Echo to keep up with the Advances. I mean Im deployed Oconus right now and listening to a radio stream out of San Diego (Home) and communicating with my wife, and on here. My Comms are on another system indepndent of this one.

If there is one thing I can say as an Echo that I would pass on is that you have got to be the most important guy on the team. Not to say the Deltas cant do shit, or anything else, but as an Echo it is still a 24/7 job. After Missions, when everyone else bags out, guess who has to send in the AAR? Yup......You need to keep your shit wired tight........and if your the only Echo, keep it wired tighter, beause someones gonna screw your shit up cause they wanna play solitaire or something else with your systems!!!!!!!!!!! No Touchy there Bravo who needed the class on how to use his thumb drive last week, No Touch!!!!!!!!