09-28-2009, 11:56
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Originally Posted by Richard
I'm thinking there may just be way too many choices out there and its confusing the hell out of everybody - things were far simpler when all we had were OD Jungle Fatgues and aerosol cans of flat black spray paint. 
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I think Richards correct..
Our mil contractors only gain from the confusion and continued debate. The only salvation,, Grunts eat uniforms, so they need to be repurchased on a regular basis.
Personally,, I think low bid, with ANY pattern available.. With mix-n-match.. Let the choice be at Div level.. Similar bidding contracts are use in other countries..
Set up minimum standards for: Seasonal, Thermal, Info Red infrared, Fire Retardant, then camo of choice..
My $00.0002
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09-28-2009, 11:59
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That should help with fratricide, given that just eight years ago, all services wore the BDU or DCU, and now we have a dozen or more camo patterns, and are looking to make it worse.
You don't just have to buy uniforms. All of the TA50 gear, to include everything from Gore-Tex to ammo pouches will change as well. That is where the money is.
TR
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09-28-2009, 12:57
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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK
I think Richards correct..
Our mil contractors only gain from the confusion and continued debate. The only salvation,, Grunts eat uniforms, so they need to be repurchased on a regular basis.
Personally,, I think low bid, with ANY pattern available.. With mix-n-match.. Let the choice be at Div level.. Similar bidding contracts are use in other countries..
Set up minimum standards for: Seasonal, Thermal, Info Red, Fire Retardant, then camo of choice..
My $00.0002
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I thought that was Pravda. 
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09-28-2009, 13:01
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All I wear these days is western duds. I call it a Mickey Gilley suit.
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10-25-2009, 10:07
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Here is an example of Danish M/84 Camo Woodland
The first tests of the BDU is made in 1978 under the name T/78
http://leifnoerholm.files.wordpress....hjemmev-1.jpeg
I can not understand why you have so many camo uniforms in usa
this is probably the best woodland patten ever made.
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10-25-2009, 19:29
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Marine digital camouflauge
The Marine uniform was developed specifically for environments like these....
http://www.atari.com/us/images/games...onsolepc/1.jpg
You'll be surprised to know that there is a platoon of Marines hiding in the woodline above the crocodiles, perfectly camouflaged.
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10-25-2009, 20:53
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Small update-
-Multi-Cam is in country (Stan)
-It is being issued to specific units (outside of SOF) who are in remote locations
-The new pants and spiderman tops with the built in, exterior, knee and elbow are being issued to these units (outside of SOF) as well
-It's only for uniform items, no kit
-I have worn the new issue "Mountain Boot" by Danner for the past 4 months - absolutely LOVE THEM. Comfortable, rugged, not too awfully hot, mondo support for ankle and arch. It was a good choice.
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10-30-2009, 11:43
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Someguys have it:
From the Log in page of AKO.
Sgt. Nicholas Irving, of 3rd Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, takes aim during the "Defensive Shoot" event at Wagner Range on Fort Benning, Ga., during the Ninth annual U.S. Army International Sniper Competition held Oct. 15-22. (Photo by U.S. Army)
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12-20-2009, 17:10
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Looks like the Brits beat us to it
British troops to get first new camouflage in 40 years
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ef=igoogle_cnn
I think I've seen that pattern somewhere before... 
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12-20-2009, 18:00
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Ok whats the verdict. They keep asking me here at MARSOC what is the Army going to use, are they changing, going to MC?
Is the Army going to change over to MC. Or are they going to change over to their version of MC, that sucks.
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12-20-2009, 18:06
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new digital pattern?
Saw this link on another board and found the ACU camo pattern interesting. Looks like a woodland but very different that USMC woodland. Reminds me of German camo.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/wor...iref=allsearch
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12-20-2009, 18:42
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First time I have seen the UCP-Delta in the field. To be quite honest it looks pretty good. Would love to see more footage/pics of it being used but it is already 100% improvement over the initial UCP...
Natick, bringing soldiers substandard gear since their inception...
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12-20-2009, 20:31
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Ok whats the verdict. They keep asking me here at MARSOC what is the Army going to use, are they changing, going to MC?
Is the Army going to change over to MC. Or are they going to change over to their version of MC, that sucks.
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From what I understand, or at least have heard, is that the ruling won't be until next month.
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12-20-2009, 22:55
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I'll bet a case of beer they don't go to MC.
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12-21-2009, 07:31
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Here's the story and reasoning behind the UKs change in uniform pattern - the video explanation for it all actually makes a lot of sense and something it might be worthwhile for our R&D ffolkes to consider in the future.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8422942.stm
Richard's $.02
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