Disruptive Technology

[Penn]

In 1979/80 an employee told me his little 15-year-old brother was buying stock in a company called Apple, describing what it was and what the future, according to this 15 y/o was going to be. I missed that bus, too deep in the rabbit hole of creating a business following a different path.

Today, I think we are in the exact same space. The difference is we are about to drive the technology , rather than sit in front of it. Lithium, may or may not be a finite resource, while Hydrogen is abundant, both are power/fuel that will disrupt the combustion driven systems.
This revolution is green, and there are number of companies worth your time to investigate.

That said, there is a broader disruption that will change manufacturing as we know it, and which dovetails the EV revolution and far more disruptive, impacting everything we know and touch. This conclusion was reach through questioning how green could the EV market become, if all the technology to build EV’s was rooted in non-green manufacturing, e.g., injection molding, machining with water-based drilling, will disappear and along with it the factory.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/d...5_trineacq.htm

In that regard, the social impact of this disruption will, imoo, end fracking, seriously undermine the oil industry, and close factories around the world. Unemployment will sky-rocket, governments will be forced to subsidize their citizens, or face overwhelming resentment, bread and circuses will not work.

With this in mind, that the future is already here, what are the other systems that will cease to serve the future we are being propelled into?

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Penn

With this in mind, that the future is already here, what are the other systems that will cease to serve the future we are being propelled into?

tracking

[Golf1echo]

Not trying to deviate from the post but rather an observation of second and third orders of what you speak of.

Personal freedoms and liberties will be at risk. Where to live, work/participate, what we can own, what we can do, etc... As government grows so does regulation, very different from a free market economy...

Thinking about your question and then how innovation was driven 50 years ago vs say 25 years ago we see more systems and controls now.

A few examples: Listening to music and access to visual information. That development was all about bringing access to end users, smaller, more portable units, different power options and formats, etc...Competitive economies driven by end users. Today we have economies that look to control content, access and costs ie ms owns link d in, gaggle owns utube , not devices but access and content at their discretion.

Vehicles aren’t far behind safety, fuel, licensing, insurance, fees and the like.

Computers and phones are another example, how many different cell phones have individuals gone through? How many computer operating systems have we gone through and why? To support some of the wealthiest corporations in the world, to build industries of security and support because of built in flaws...

Not meant to be a rant but more an observation of how the bigger picture of innovation and the priorities within those developments have changed over time.

[LongWire]

You can already see how disruptive the net has been with companies like Amazon.... Malls are disappearing and being replaced by server farms, except for the food court because we still have to eat!

I believe that COVID will help further the robotic and no touch assembly/processing lines.....

There was a 60mins episode I watched within the last couple of yrs, PreCovid, they have a shitton of different EV manufacturers which are producing a shitton of EV's. We are way behind.......

[Penn]

My observation was/is more about opportunity in the market place and the impact of DT on social systems. Lithium companies and their stocks are inexpensive right now, charging station companies like Plug and Fuel Cell, will replace service stations in the very near future. Gas pumps may become rare.

Trine financing and partnership with Desktop Metal, which is the realization of StarTreks replicator, they completely reimagined the 3D printer on an industrial scale.
Design programs and engineers become the machinist, which will force education into STEM curricula, or offer students an open course catalogue for their interest.

If replicators can produce any object, part, or design, labor is reduce to thought and someone pushing the start button.

[Penn]

The axiom of "as government expands, freedom declines," may not prove true in the near future. Image the amount of leisure time that is increased as labor is impacted, by the advent of AI meeting industrial replication. The cascade of personal choice's open to the individual will demand the freedom to enjoy one's life. Government will have to meet that understanding.

[cat in the hat]

Originally Posted by Penn

The axiom of "as government expands, freedom declines," may not prove true in the near future. Image the amount of leisure time that is increased as labor is impacted, by the advent of AI meeting industrial replication. The cascade of personal choice's open to the individual will demand the freedom to enjoy one's life. Government will have to meet that understanding.

Two thoughts

If AI/robotics are performing most labor, what do the former human workers do for a living?

At what point will some fool demand it is a "moral imperative" that we grant said AI/robots equal rights?

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by cat in the hat

If AI/robotics are performing most labor, what do the former human workers do for a living?

Over the next 5 to 10 generations, we may be able, with precisely engineered bio-mechanical tweaking improve the live-stock

The problem is AI improvements will not wait for humans to catch-up..

In the real world, humans have always been behind to curve

[mark46th]

Out here in Commiefornia a bad result of technology is the state is talking about tracking each vehicle and taxing the individual by how many miles driven.

[Box]

Originally Posted by mark46th

Out here in Commiefornia a bad result of technology is the state is talking about tracking each vehicle and taxing the individual by how many miles driven.

Mileage based taxation isn't a new idea. When states realized that mandating better gas mileage or encouraging hybrids meant less money in tax revenue generated by gas sales, they went looking for a new income stream.
Mileage based driving tax is just one of those income streams.

[Penn]

CatiinHat

If AI/robotics are performing most labor, what do the former human workers do for a living?

My thinking is there will be a universal wage, much like what we have experience with lockdown this year. Unemployment supplemented/replaced by a system that drives its income from large corporations like amazon/google/apple, etc., as the work force transitions, the tax structure for individuals will no longer be collected.

The once over taxed human worker is now paid through the robotic labor force. Maybe the drone's carry a ID & SS# matched to an individual.

[LongWire]

Originally Posted by mark46th

Out here in Commiefornia a bad result of technology is the state is talking about tracking each vehicle and taxing the individual by how many miles driven.

Originally Posted by LongWire

There was a 60mins episode I watched within the last couple of yrs, PreCovid, they have a shitton of different EV manufacturers which are producing a shitton of EV's. We are way behind.......

Said episode showed that you could track every EV, and even isolate by manufacturer. I’m sure you could pull down other ways to isolate them License ETC....

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Penn

The once over taxed human worker is now paid through the robotic labor force. Maybe the drone's carry a ID & SS# matched to an individual.

Are all drones equal, or are some more equal than others, in terms of their generation of a revenue stream? Not rhetorical. Seems to me a rather quickly reached "achievement plateau."

[cat in the hat]

Originally Posted by Badger52

Are all drones equal, or are some more equal than others, in terms of their generation of a revenue stream? Not rhetorical. Seems to me a rather quickly reached "achievement plateau."

The once over taxed human worker is now paid through the robotic labor force. Maybe the drone's carry a ID & SS# matched to an individual.


If they're matching me with a robot I call dibbs

[Penn]

Forgetting for the moment, AI/Robotic and its utopian future, who among us would not want the opportunity to pursue their interest and not have the burden of financial consideration.

Imagine the entire fleet of Amazon delivery vans all programed to derive income based on milage and autonomous mapping. Efficiency of service eliminates payroll, pensions, and medical cost. Allowing for a fund/national wage program. Add in FedEX, DHL, and all the local on time delivery service, excluding the postal service -but they already are subsidize- and you have the beginning foundation of a revenue generator that could possible fill the void, while at the same time expand personal choice, based on interest.

I also think Darwin would fill part of the new leisure time void, culling poor decision makers rapidly.