Teachers with concealed weapons, not best idea

[TWITCHY]

Originally Posted by cbtengr

So lets say we turn our schools into fortresses that defy invasion by the evil doers. How do we propose to adequately protect the masses during the CF that takes place at the height of arrivals in the morning and departures at the end of the day? The Vegas shooter did all his damage in the great outdoors.

CBTENGR, this has always been my concern when picking up my daughter from school. The only thing stopping a vehicle attack is a 4" curb (not too effective). Again, this would be an attack that does not include guns and, most likely, would be way more devastating. Honestly, one vehicle could kill 50 kids -- ON the Spot.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Brush Okie

Lucky for us these idiots have not figured this out......yet. They have also not figured out a 12 gauge pump at close range is more devastating than a 223........yet.

Shush

[Joker]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Grazing fire is so much more effective than plunging fire.

Just sit outside the wire and wait for the afternoon bell to ring.

Rental truck packed with anfo driven or parked outside the gym (ala McV).

[Box]

Instead of an armed faculty, Dr. David Helsel from the Blue Mountain School District has floated a solution that sounds like something dreamed up by Ernest T. Bass...

http://wnep.com/2018/03/22/superinte...hool-shooting/

[Team Sergeant]

I'd be happy with a baseball bat in every classroom......... or for the NE part of the US, a hockey stick.

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

I'd be happy with a baseball bat in every classroom......... or for the NE part of the US, a hockey stick.

Make sure they are not those scary Black Bats.... we can not have Assault Bats around our kids and schools it might be a trigger and give them PTSD

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by SF_BHT

Make sure they are not those scary Black Bats.... we can not have Assault Bats around our kids and schools it might be a trigger and give them PTSD

In Pink??
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[Joker]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

In Pink??
I present the SJW Dental Slugger

Now that is so calming! I feel so refreshed...

[Joker]

I bring to you, the AR15 Assault Bat with a large capacity magazine, bayonet lugs, and two handed grips.

[cbtengr]

With hockey sticks and bats you got to get up close, however with rocks...........

"‘It’s better than crawling under a desk and getting shot': Pennsylvania school district arms students with STONES so they can 'fight off' active shooters"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-shooters.html

[Team Sergeant]

Where's the good old wrist rocket when you need one..........

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Where's the good old wrist rocket when you need one..........

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[Sdiver]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

I'd be happy with a baseball bat in every classroom.........

Pretty sound idea IMO.
It's rumored that this guy used to be a gym teacher ...

[G2squared]

I grew up with a dad that built gun safes for a living and being told that locks only keep honest people honest. And having discussions around preventing easy breaching and general security of home and person. Spending a lot of time thinking about what bad people can and have done and how to prevent it.
Arming the "right" people in a school might work to some degree until it doesn't. FL school had a security guy onsite and look at what happened. Just arming someone doesn't mean they will respond in a way that will prevent people from being killed or injured. This includes police and military. And what happens when that armed person get disarmed by an individual, or several, will ill intent?
Securing schools could work if properly done, until someone skips a step and it doesn't. And it will take A LOT of money and serious education of the citizens on why it cost so much to actually make their children's school safe and not just a few cheap, ineffective feel good measures. Lipstick on Pig.
Changing how our citizens think about personal security (even as little as being aware of their surroundings) and basing decisions on actual facts rather than emotions? That could lead to some changes that could be more effective. Knowing that laws are broken in every instance and that no laws could have been passed that would have prevented these, should logically lead to the understanding that more laws are not the answer. Maybe shoring up the ones we have? That would certainly have reduced the number of incidents. When the Gov't doesn't even talk to itself though, AF not sending information to FBI database as it's supposed to(just one example), what can we use as an example for what has worked? Right hand not talking to the left. We don't even track down and prosecute the "attempted to purchase but got caught by the background check" people.
The system fails again because processes already in place aren't being followed.
Meanwhile home schooling is looking better.


G2

[NurseTim]

Originally Posted by PRB

No, they'll not be door kickers, no they will not be qualified at CQB....otoh, what 'training' did the nut job kid have?

What is the first rule of a gunfight.

At least it is a chance.

This is not a new deal...in Israel teachers have fully auto weapons in their classrooms...for good reason.

It can be done.

I think some would 'go hunting'....'someone is killing 'my' kids'.....yes, some would.

When folks say, “Well, that’s how the do it in, fill in the blank, when it come to heavily restricting firearms, I say, “yeah, but this ain’t, fill in the blank, it’s America and we have a completely different mindset than they do.

Unfortunately this applies here as well imo. In Israel, there is compulsory service which means training and familiarity with the weapon platform. The average, hell the majority of the teachers are fully indoctrinated leftists and would faint dead away at the sight of a firearm, much less one of those scary “murder machines”.

Would arming teachers, those willing to take the training, work, I don’t know. But to expect them to have the skill set of the QP’s here is mind boggling. Does this mean they shouldn’t be armed, I can’t say, I’m one of the sheep.