01-28-2019, 21:48
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#1096
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Badger, I agree.
What's going on is only the royals may have archers while the peasants can only own sticks.
Look at the manipulation on the price of machineguns. In another ten years only the less than 1% will be able to afford them. Especially the good ones.
There were other Bill's pushing the inflation rate for the NFA tax in 2013 to $3500.00. Maybe wont happen, but tax people from owning the weapons that are deemed most useful in defense and only the wealthy are most defended.
I think part of the reason the defense of any post 68 amnesty and or any waiver of the Hughes is to ensure the value of the portfolios of those involved stay stable via influence of lobby.
Make money and have the most powerful weapons possible that most others can not afford. Of course some have to be sold to make money, but 100 flemming Sears at around 40 each in 85 are now worth around 3.5million at 35k per sear. There was alot of that going on and the recent growth is increasing with the bunker down mentality of the elite*.
Now add all this to the ITAR fees added to the common gunsmiths and mfgs and a serious stanglehold is starting to appear on overall transactions. Also innovation...
Just sayin...pay attention to these Bill's. We may get sniped.
*Also nothing wrong with being successful. What you do with that power matters.
Echoing the speeches of Davos, seemed a bit of gloom and forced removal of leader changes. Soros basically called upon the audience to forcibly remove two world leaders. The elite are shifting from fix it, to buying bunkers.....not good things for us.
I just think these things are all related. The 2nd was created for the same reasons it's being incrementally taken now.
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01-29-2019, 08:40
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#1097
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Every time a Democrat introduces a new infringement bill I am reminded to buy more guns and ammo. I may need a second job with this new socialist progressive democrat controlled Congress to keep making purchases....
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01-29-2019, 08:41
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MG's vs SHTF
Machineguns are game changers, IF you are fighting a "conventional" fight. If you're trying to conduct a revolution, UW and "hunting" rifles will go a LONG way (pun intended). The rise of the PRS series and similar competitions, plus the fact that most guys who know how to properly run a carbine generally use semi will very quickly lead to "the good MG's" being battlefield recovered in a timely manner should a SHTF scenario play out.
"The people I'm 'worried' about, are not the people I'm worried about should the SHTF"
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01-29-2019, 11:40
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I certainly cant disagree with you.
I guess my intended point is the control of the threat of battlespace, before it begins, and not the application of employing them.
Strategies are numerous and can vary, so attempting to mitigate the vulnerability of the perceived future strategy is what the security systems are that are being developed. This is true for any history or country that has taken notice of the perceived threat of people.
Its incrementally improving the foxhole. While also assuring the adversaries capabilities are limited by controlling resources.
I am not convinced it's a grand conspiracy even if some political views lean one way or the other. I see it as the path its falling into if conventional or not. Because of this possibility I presume this is why we are seeing greater foriegn destabilization tactics employed against us.
Its several sources leveraging the indicators. Perhaps not even aware or interested in the same outcomes.
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01-29-2019, 14:38
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Originally Posted by bubba
Machineguns are game changers, IF you are fighting a "conventional" fight. If you're trying to conduct a revolution, UW and "hunting" rifles will go a LONG way (pun intended). The rise of the PRS series and similar competitions, plus the fact that most guys who know how to properly run a carbine generally use semi will very quickly lead to "the good MG's" being battlefield recovered in a timely manner should a SHTF scenario play out.
"The people I'm 'worried' about, are not the people I'm worried about should the SHTF"
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You make a good point here. I was just looking at this on an auction site pretty much intended for making available a better weapon.
Liberator.jpg
This pistol is made of stamped steel and was intended to be airdropped to partisans during World War II. Only fires one shot at a time, but the hollow grip to four additionally cartridges. They were dropped in a plain cardboard box with an illustrated instruction gun. Never intended for long use, their sole objective was to assassinate an enemy and retrieve a more serviceable weapon. CONDITION: Working but has the typical toning on the pressed metal. Barrel Length: 3 - 1/2" Caliber/Bore: .45 ACP
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01-29-2019, 19:11
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Originally Posted by cbtengr
Never intended for long use, their [COLOR="lime"]sole objective was to assassinate an enemy and retrieve a more serviceable weapon.
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And never give in to the temptation of gun buy-backs, no matter how much they want for your junker (which also supports THEIR narrative). That no-name but functional ol' wheelgun or non-descript single-shot should have ammo for it too. You never know when you might want to "Leave the gun, take the cannoli."
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01-29-2019, 19:53
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This pistol is made of stamped steel and was intended to be airdropped to partisans during World War II. Only fires one shot at a time, but the hollow grip to four additionally cartridges.
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And manufactured by.... General Motors
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02-10-2019, 08:31
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I wonder if Alexandria Ocasio Cortez just realizes she has now come out for illegal immigrants to have legal access to firearms.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...me-of-funding/
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02-10-2019, 19:49
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I wonder if Alexandria Ocasio Cortez just realizes she has now come out for illegal immigrants to have legal access to firearms.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...me-of-funding/
“When we are a land of laws, what that means, is that every person that steps foot on this soil deserves the consideration of due process. They deserve the protections. They deserve to have access to our Bill of Rights. That’s what makes this nation special.”
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Forget playing the tape to the end to see a thing called 'consequences'; the crew advising her doesn't even get past the opening credits. And, like it or not, there are a bunch of her 70 & 80 year-old "colleagues" who are feeling the need to pull back the curtain & show their true colors because they want a piece of that demographic. (While quietly balancing the choking of their military-industrial complex & BigPharma donors.)
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02-15-2019, 06:53
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Thank goodness we have a new Governor! Definitely a step in the right direction.
Oklahoma House passes no-permit gun bill
By: Journal Record Staff February 13, 2019
OKLAHOMA CITY (JR) – The Oklahoma House of Representatives on Wednesday passed a measure that would allow citizens to carry a firearm without a permit.
House Bill 2597, by state Rep. Jon Echols, would allow anyone age 21 or over to carry a firearm without a permit. It would permit veterans and active-duty and reserve military personnel age 18 or over to carry without a permit.
HB 2597 passed out of the House by a vote of 70-30 and now heads to the Senate for consideration.
The measure would prohibit felons and those with domestic violence convictions or who have been adjudicated as having a mental illness from carrying a firearm. The bill does not affect current federal law requiring a background check for the in-store purchase of a firearm.
In places where carrying a firearm is currently prohibited, the bill allows those private property owners and college campuses to continue to set their own policies regarding the carrying of firearms on those premises.
“This bill solidifies the Second Amendment rights of Oklahomans while protecting private property rights,” said House Speaker Charles McCall, R-Atoka. “We worked with private businesses, schools and college campuses to ensure that their rights are protected.”
There are 15 states that allow some form of permitless carry, including Kansas, Missouri and Arkansas.
“Oklahoma has long had permitless carry, but only for citizens visiting from one of those surrounding states that allow it,” said Echols, R-Oklahoma City.
Nearly identical bills to this one cleared the Oklahoma House and Senate last year, but then-Gov. Mary Fallin vetoed it over opposition from law enforcement and concerns about the elimination of training and background checks.
Republican Gov. Kevin Stitt and Senate Republican Leader Greg Treat both say they support the concept.
https://journalrecord.com/2019/02/13...rmit-gun-bill/
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02-15-2019, 11:46
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Thank goodness we have a new Governor! Definitely a step in the right direction.
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Up to 14 states now with permitless carry on the books...with a couple-three on the fringes I believe.
The geography is a bit interesting (or maybe unsurprising) with the North-North East being an unexpected region...and then (primarily) the Mid-West. W.V. is the eastern anomaly.
What is even more interesting in looking at the geographical distribution is how a handful of states are the drivers behind the attack on the 2nd.
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02-15-2019, 14:32
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My new concern, in light of President Trump’s emergency declaration, is that the next Democrat President will make an emergency declaration against guns. Any thoughts on this?
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02-15-2019, 14:45
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My new concern, in light of President Trump’s emergency declaration, is that the next Democrat President will make an emergency declaration against guns. Any thoughts on this?
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U.S. CONST. Article I, § 9, cl. 2
The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.
Somehow caravans of thousands intending to enter the U.S. in disregard of OUR legal process meets invasion definition.
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02-15-2019, 15:00
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Originally Posted by TWITCHY
My new concern, in light of President Trump’s emergency declaration, is that the next Democrat President will make an emergency declaration against guns. Any thoughts on this?
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Don't let the talking heads scare you into capitulating.....these emergencies they declare are threats to the nation even if it is partisan B.S. but I am not sure they can declare anything that overrides the Constitutions protected rights....the POTUS is responsible for the security of this nation he is required to act if the house and the Senate do not
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-man...by-presidents/
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02-15-2019, 15:03
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Originally Posted by Ret10Echo
U.S. CONST. Article I, § 9, cl. 2
The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.
Somehow caravans of thousands intending to enter the U.S. in disregard of OUR legal process meets invasion definition.
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Very well said, Sir!!!
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