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Old 12-11-2014, 09:54   #811
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Some good news for a change - complete article at link below.

DECEMBER 10, 2014
Growing Public Support for Gun Rights
More Say Guns Do More to Protect Than Put People at Risk


Pew Research:

"For the first time in more than two decades of Pew Research Center surveys, there is more support for gun rights than gun control. Currently, 52% say it is more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns, while 46% say it is more important to control gun ownership.

Support for gun rights has edged up from earlier this year, and marks a substantial shift in attitudes since shortly after the Newtown school shootings, which occurred two years ago this Sunday."

http://www.people-press.org/2014/12/...or-gun-rights/
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Old 12-11-2014, 09:56   #812
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Some good news for a change - complete article at link below.

DECEMBER 10, 2014
Growing Public Support for Gun Rights
More Say Guns Do More to Protect Than Put People at Risk


Pew Research:

"For the first time in more than two decades of Pew Research Center surveys, there is more support for gun rights than gun control. Currently, 52% say it is more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns, while 46% say it is more important to control gun ownership.

Support for gun rights has edged up from earlier this year, and marks a substantial shift in attitudes since shortly after the Newtown school shootings, which occurred two years ago this Sunday."

http://www.people-press.org/2014/12/...or-gun-rights/
It's also nice to know that the level of "sheeple" in the United States is dropping.
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Old 12-11-2014, 17:24   #813
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It's also nice to know that the level of "sheeple" in the United States is dropping.
Or that demographic was too busy rioting to participate in the poll.
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Old 01-01-2015, 14:57   #814
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For those interested in WA HI 594 -- links below to Washington State legislature page - including an analysis described as follows:

"This analysis was prepared by non-partisan legislative staff for the use of legislative members in their deliberations. This analysis is not a part of the legislation nor does it constitute a statement of legislative intent."

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/bil...0JUDI%2014.pdf

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summ...=594#documents
http://www.saf.org/?p=4877

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“We’re not trying to stop background checks,” Gottlieb said. “We’re taking action against a poorly-written and unconstitutionally vague measure that criminalizes activities that are perfectly legal anywhere else in the country, thus striking at the very heart of a constitutionally-protected, fundamental civil right.”
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Old 02-03-2015, 17:47   #815
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To the Citizens of Washington State and Their American Countrymen

Thought this would be an appropriate location for Patrick Henry Society's letter RE their upcoming event on 7 February.

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When you woke up this morning, the last thing on your mind was probably the state of your gun rights. Maybe you own a gun, maybe you’ve never even held one. Maybe you use your gun to feed your family, shoot skeet on the weekends, or just keep in the closet for a time when you think you might need it. Some of you train with it, carry it daily, and it is simply another thing you grab in the morning along with your wallet and your keys. Whatever your familiarity with guns is does not matter. You don’t even have to like guns, don’t have to want them in your home. There are two facts that anyone familiar with history knows:

1) Before a regime commits horrific acts against its people, it first ensures the people have no guns to fight back with.

2) The freedom that you live under was paid for by a group of colonists who used their guns.

The Ottomans murdered over 1 million people between 1915-1917, after passing laws disarming the people. In 1918, Russia passed the first of its own gun control laws, demanding licensing of gun owners and later banning possession of them at all. From 1929-1945, the government murdered 20 million people. In 1928, Germany passed the Law on Firearms and Ammunition, followed by other gun laws in 1938.

Once the people were disarmed, they passed the Regulations Against Jews, opening the door for the barbaric slaughter of the Holocaust.

In 1927, Nationalist China passed a law demanding government permits for gun ownership, later banning privately owned guns entirely. Between 1927 and 1949, 10 million people died. In 1951, as Communist China, more laws were passed, and once the people were disarmed completely between 20-35 million people were murdered.

Guatemala, 1960-1981: over 100,000 people killed. Uganda, 300,000. Cambodia, 2 million. Rwanda, 800,000. The list goes on and on.

The one thing that all of these events have in common is that the government disarmed the people first. They had to. Guns allow people to refuse slavery, and stand up to tyranny. To this day, genocide and terror exist in every nation where the people are unarmed and defenseless. Perhaps you think that it would just be easier and safer if the only people who had guns were the cops and the military. Maybe you believe in the Second Amendment as an abstract concept, but really don’t see how it affects you.

Now think about how the Constitution came to be. How it is that you are an American, born under liberty. Think of the men who founded this nation. They signed their names—and in doing so, pledged their lives—to a document that in those times equaled treason. Some of them were tortured and killed for it. Joseph Warren never even lived long enough to see the freedom he gave his life to secure for you. Nathan Hale died proudly, wishing he had more than one life to give in liberty’s defense. Other men stood at Lexington, staring down a superior force without blinking. They fought with knives, and their hands…and they fought with guns.

The idea that men with guns purchased our freedom is not a debatable point; it is certain fact. Our liberty came at the cost of blood.

Why should you care about the Second Amendment? The reason is simple. Without a means of defense, you cannot say no to tyranny. What if the Jews had been armed? What if they had risen up as one, and defied the Nazis? Would the world still be seared by the remembrance of one of the greatest evils mankind has ever committed? Or would we instead talk about the brave people who stood against evil? What if the Russian people had been armed? Would 20 million of them have perished under Stalin?

What if people in this nation were not armed? What if there was no one in this country willing to stand against evil? Can you honestly believe that the horrors of Auschwitz cannot happen here? Do you honestly think that a government should be able to do whatever it wishes to the people who elected it into power? If you believe at all that you have a right to be free, then whether you know it or not, you support the right of the citizens to own guns—because a citizen with a gun is literally the only thing that stands between your children and tyranny.

Right now in several states across this nation, citizens are being stripped of their right to defense. They are being told how many guns they can own, what kind they can own, how much ammunition they can have. You don’t need that much. You don’t need that many guns. The government says this, knowing all along that they have every kind of arms imaginable, in nearly unlimited quantities. We have already seen what happens when the government are the only people with guns. Are you willing to bet the freedom of your children on the idea that this government would not do what every other government has done once it disarms its citizens?

As you read this, there is a group of patriots in Washington who are standing up. On February 7th, they will stand for a third time in as many months against unjust laws meant to strip them of their right to defense. In fact, on the 7th they will stand against a state legislature that has said the people are not allowed to openly carry a firearm while viewing the proceedings of their own government. Think about that. The very people we elected, do not want their armed constituents to watch them at work, to see the things they do and say. The real question is what are they doing that they have to be afraid of the people?

These patriots will be arrested on the 7th, because some of them will choose while there to defy the unjust and tyrannical laws being forced on them. What awful thing will they be doing? Walking into a public gallery with a rifle slung over their shoulder. They are not monsters, or crazy gun nuts. They are Americans like you, who love their families and go to work and pay bills. They are Americans who value liberty more than anything else.

They are choosing liberty over peaceful slavery, and they are doing it because someone has to. But they are not standing for just Washington, they stand for all of you. Whether you live in Iowa or California, Maine or Wyoming, it is YOUR right to self-defense that patriots will defend on February 7th. They are being arrested to show that the right of you and your family to refuse to be a slave, is more important than their own comfort.

It no longer matters if you’re a gun owner or not, or if you hunt, or if you think guns are scary and don’t want one. Your continued liberty depends on someone other the government having all the guns, and if it’s not you, then someone else needs to stand. Right now patriots who don’t know you, don’t know your story, don’t even know if you support them or not, are getting ready to stand up for you and your babies. In fact, they’ll be standing to defend your right to call them extremists and ammosexuals.

Those of us fighting this fight appeal to you for help. We ask that if you pray, you pray for us. If you can afford it, consider donating to help pay their bail so they can go home to their families, or get legal help for the case that will come as a result of their stand. If you can make it up here, by all means come. Bring a firearm or don’t, whichever you prefer. But we need you on the line. We need to show our government that we will not allow our rights to be taken. We need to show those who gave their lives for us that their sacrifice meant something, that their struggle and their torture and their deaths were not wasted on a populace too self-absorbed and lazy to bother hanging on to what they paid so dearly to win for us. Let us show the government and the world what freedom looks like, and let us remember the gift that we have been given.

We are standing for your liberty, no matter the cost. We call upon the patriots of this state and this nation to stand with us before it’s too late.



Place: WA State Capitol, Olympia, WA

Date: 7 February 2015

Time: 10am
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Old 02-11-2015, 14:54   #816
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Fed Ban on Interstate Transfers UNConstitutional

Anything but SCOTUS never seems to be the final word (and maybe not then) but this is good to read about.


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In a huge victory for supporters of gun rights, the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas Fort Worth Division issued a ruling Wednesday declaring the federal ban on interstate transfer of handguns unconstitutional. The 28-page opinion in the case of Frederic Russell Mance, Jr. against Attorney General Eric Holder, Jr. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive Director B. Todd Jones was signed by United States District Judge Reed O’Connor.

Joined in the lawsuit by the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, the judgment noted the Brady instant background check system was not available when the prohibition on interstate transfers was enacted. Because that capability now exists, Judge O’Connor noted, the government’s “argument fails to take into account the current version of the 1968 Gun Control Act, nor does it address how simply crossing state lines under the modern regime can circumvent state law.”

“Based on the foregoing, the Court concludes that Defendants have not shown that the federal interstate handgun transfer ban is narrowly tailored to be the least restrictive means of achieving the Government’s goals under current law,” O’Connor explained. “The federal interstate handgun transfer ban is therefore unconstitutional on its face.”

“Accordingly, the Court DECLARES that 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(3), 18 U.S.C. § 922(b)(3), and27 C.F.R. § 478.99(a) are UNCONSTITUTIONAL, and Defendants are ENJOINED from enforcing these provisions,” the opinion concluded. Noting that the government’s arguments failed even under intermediate scrutiny, any challenge to the ruling appears extremely problematic for Holder and Jones.

“It is bizarre and irrational to destroy the national market for an item that Americans have a fundamental right to purchase,” attorney Alan Gura observed in a triumphant CCRKBA media advisory. “Americans would never tolerate a ban on the interstate sale of books or contraceptives. And Americans are free to buy rifles and shotguns outside their state of residence, so long as the dealers respect the laws of the buyer’s home state. We’re gratified that the Court agreed that handguns should be treated no differently.”
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Old 02-24-2015, 15:46   #817
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Never heard of this guy but the vid below gives me an excuse to bump a great thread for some newer members.

The 2nd Amendment : For Muskets Only?!
"People have been telling us for years that the 2nd amendment was written in a time of Muskets, and that it doesn't apply to the evolved weapons of today. Is it true?"

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Published on Feb 10, 2015

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CquUBWHU2_s
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Old 03-18-2015, 17:45   #818
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Probably one of the best presentations/testimony I've heard yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdUaPDiW-GY

He's speaking in reference to the current attempt to remove the "may issue" restrictions in the state of Maryland. With his background as Commander of the licensing division responsible for issuing permits and his self-professed previous status as being in favor of gun control, his testimony has to carry a lot of weight.
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Old 03-18-2015, 22:00   #819
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Probably one of the best presentations/testimony I've heard yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdUaPDiW-GY

He's speaking in reference to the current attempt to remove the "may issue" restrictions in the state of Maryland. With his background as Commander of the licensing division responsible for issuing permits and his self-professed previous status as being in favor of gun control, his testimony has to carry a lot of weight.
An "enlightened" liberal cop...... only a few million to go.....
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Old 06-11-2015, 18:50   #820
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Gun Speach Gag Order

http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/10/...vt-last-month/



The Obama administration’s latest anti-gun salvo isn’t about reducing gun violence or stopping the export of dangerous weapons, it’s about pure retaliation against a non-profit that sued the government in federal court last month.


Defense Distributed, a pro-Second Amendment non-profit organization that provides blueprints, plans, and machinery to fabricate or finish firearm components, has been at war with the State Department for nearly two years.......

and..

On June 3, just four weeks after Defense Distributed filed its complaint in federal court, the State Department suddenly decided to propose a new rule giving it the authority to pre-approve speech related to publicly available firearm plans. The State Department’s play here is obvious: it hopes to promulgate a new rule making its previous anti-speech efforts superficially legal in order to short-circuit Defense Distributed’s court case. If that were to happen, the non-profit would then have to file a new and separate suit alleging the unconstitutionality of the new rule.
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Old 06-12-2015, 05:18   #821
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Thanks pcfixer. The current regime continues promulgating things that conflict with each other, one sub-para to the next (Congress has no monopoly on that). It is sufficient for them to kick the can down the road with enough obstacles in the way of its citizens such that prior restraint on speech is accomplished under threat of prison sentence. While they seem to be benevolent in their new "definition" of public domain, what is chilling is what they propose to call a "defense article(item)".

Direct link to their proposed ass-covering. (Warning: Bring your mental whiteboard.)

In the end, it's ok if it's in the public domain - but it isn't legally in the public domain unless they say so. Can they support this POS in court? I doubt it; but it seems they can get the same result by tying a peasant up for year$$$ if they cast their eye on you.
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Old 07-19-2015, 18:37   #822
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And to borrow the metaphor from another thread, here's the next slice of salami:

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The Obama administration wants to keep people collecting Social Security benefits from owning guns if it is determined they are unable to manage their own affairs, the Los Angeles Times reported.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...m-owning-guns/

Any disabled Vets that applied for social security disability on the basis of PTSD are in line for this one...

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Steven Overman, a 30-year-old former Marine who lives in Virginia, said his case demonstrates the flaws of judging gun safety through financial competence.

After his Humvee hit a roadside bomb in Iraq in 2007, he was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and a brain injury that weakened his memory and cognitive ability.

The VA eventually deemed him 100% disabled and after reviewing his case in 2012 declared him incompetent, making his wife his fiduciary.

Upon being notified that he was being reported to the background check system, he gave his guns to his mother and began working with a lawyer to get them back.

Overman grew up hunting in Wisconsin. After his return from Iraq, he found solace in target shooting. "It's relaxing to me," he said. "It's a break from day-to-day life. It calms me down."

Though his wife had managed their financial affairs since his deployment, Overman said he has never felt like he was a danger to himself or others.

"I didn't know the VA could take away your guns," he said.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politi...ry.html#page=1

Get ready, here comes the full court press for the last 18 months of the administration. And let's not forget the second order effect that Veterans will stop seeking help for PTSD if they think their right to bear arms will be revoked.

Why is it that liberals think they can win a fight when only the other side is armed?
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And to borrow the metaphor from another thread, here's the next slice of salami:



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...m-owning-guns/

Any disabled Vets that applied for social security disability on the basis of PTSD are in line for this one...


http://www.latimes.com/nation/politi...ry.html#page=1

Get ready, here comes the full court press for the last 18 months of the administration. And let's not forget the second order effect that Veterans will stop seeking help for PTSD if they think their right to bear arms will be revoked.

Why is it that liberals think they can win a fight when only the other side is armed?
And we should remove their Freedom of Speech rights, religion and so forth.

All it's going to take is for a dem to take office in 2016 and some are going to march.....
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And to borrow the metaphor from another thread, here's the next slice of salami:



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...m-owning-guns/

Any disabled Vets that applied for social security disability on the basis of PTSD are in line for this one...
I saw the writing on the wall many years ago, in regards to this line of thinking.

All vets who have put in for disability claims for PTSD, through the VA, are setting themselves up for failure and to be singled out by "our" government. Now I am not saying that those who truly are in need of care, should not seek assistance/treatment. But just be prepared for the possible consequences.
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http://www.davekopel.org/2A/Foreign/...the-greeks.htm

I thought this was a great article that relates to this exact subject.
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