America's Second Civil War

[Uman]

https://www.traditionalright.com/the...w-impeachment/

[Old Dog New Trick]

Worth the read.

Interesting definition of the “unperson.”

[Box]

Originally Posted by Uman

https://www.traditionalright.com/the...w-impeachment/

I think the author has one very dangerous point of view that undermines the very premise of his paper...

"most of the people in the military are Trump supporters"

Are they?
Really?
Are "most" of them really Trump supporters?

The military is a cross section of society - more now than ever before because we have decided to let in all the freaks and side show performers because - 'muh equality

I only work with a small cross section but believe me when I say, there are PLENTY of field grade officers and senior NCO's (E7 and above) in the US Army that openly declare their belief that gun control reform is needed. There are field grade officers and senior NCOs that think the gender-war progress in the Army is moving along juuuust fine. There are field grade officers and senior NCOs that openly discuss their distaste with how the POTUS does business. I've even heard professional soldiers say "how can you have a daughter and support Donald Trump"
...you know, because Donald Trump is lurking in your daughters closet just waiting to corrupt your children

How many of our 'pop culture' generals and admirals advertise their staunch support of the current POTUS?
How many of them reached such heights by silently advancing the policy agenda of the last POTUS?
How many of them JUMPED at the chance to stop the social agenda of the last POTUS when they had the chance under the current POTUS?
How many of them are willing to send a seditious OpEd to a major news paper?
How many of them quit when they had a policy difference with the POTUS that didnt include a nonstop war in the middle east?

A growing number of Soldiers Sailors Marines and Airmen identify with pop culture trends and NOT traditional American values. The social experimentation with the military is still going full bore with full support of current military leaders even though the services could slow roll or table most of them and the POTUS wouldn't say a word.
Assuming that MOST of the military supports President Trump is a good way to end up as disappointed as Bill Clintons wife was when she found out that her coronation dinner for later that evening had been cancelled.


...just my two cents - I could be wrong

[Uman]

I think that Eric Prince and his idea with Privatizing the war scared the hell out of the DOD/IC. Prince said he could do it for cheaper and more efficient than what the DOD was doing and this was not liked by the DOD or the Intelligence Community because they saw their very big Rice Bowels threatened. Now they are trying to strike back.

The DOD has screwed up these wars, many of the same mistakes that where made in Vietnam have been made in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Even SF has made its share of mistakes because it has gotten away from its core mission of revolutionary and counter revolutionary warfare. Trump was looking for an outside the Beltway solution and this rocked the DOD/IC to its core.

This is why losing wars is very detrimental to the psyche of the country and our enemies know this.

[bblhead672]

Originally Posted by Box

I think the author has one very dangerous point of view that undermines the very premise of his paper...

"most of the people in the military are Trump supporters"

Are they?
Really?
Are "most" of them really Trump supporters?

The military is a cross section of society - more now than ever before because we have decided to let in all the freaks and side show performers because - 'muh equality

I only work with a small cross section but believe me when I say, there are PLENTY of field grade officers and senior NCO's (E7 and above) in the US Army that openly declare their belief that gun control reform is needed. There are field grade officers and senior NCOs that think the gender-war progress in the Army is moving along juuuust fine. There are field grade officers and senior NCOs that openly discuss their distaste with how the POTUS does business. I've even heard professional soldiers say "how can you have a daughter and support Donald Trump"
...you know, because Donald Trump is lurking in your daughters closet just waiting to corrupt your children

How many of our 'pop culture' generals and admirals advertise their staunch support of the current POTUS?
How many of them reached such heights by silently advancing the policy agenda of the last POTUS?
How many of them JUMPED at the chance to stop the social agenda of the last POTUS when they had the chance under the current POTUS?
How many of them are willing to send a seditious OpEd to a major news paper?
How many of them quit when they had a policy difference with the POTUS that didnt include a nonstop war in the middle east?

A growing number of Soldiers Sailors Marines and Airmen identify with pop culture trends and NOT traditional American values. The social experimentation with the military is still going full bore with full support of current military leaders even though the services could slow roll or table most of them and the POTUS wouldn't say a word.
Assuming that MOST of the military supports President Trump is a good way to end up as disappointed as Bill Clintons wife was when she found out that her coronation dinner for later that evening had been cancelled.


...just my two cents - I could be wrong

Sadly, I don't think you are wrong. Obama fundamentally changed the makeup of the military by turning it into a social experiment.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by bblhead672

Sadly, I don't think you are wrong. Obama fundamentally changed the makeup of the military by turning it into a social experiment.

with willing accomplices.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Uman

https://www.traditionalright.com/the...w-impeachment/

Something the author failed to take into account would be a scenario were TPTB in the blue cities offered a Free for All Land Rush in the fly over county to Mexicans, South and Central Americans and used it as a means to uproot the pesky citizens in those areas.

Imagine what would happen if a President went on live TV and announced to come one, come all our borders are open to you and you are welcome to settle in the middle of the country.. It would make todays migrant caravans look like Childs play.

[Uman]

Did anyone see Glenn Beck's 2 hour special on. The Democrat's Hydra? It ties in the State Department, Big Tech, Social Media and the one world socialist movement. It is worth watching.

[Uman]

The video Glenn Beck's Democrats Hydra is being scrubbed by Big Tech because it mentions the Whistler blower and this. is what they are using as an excuse. It ties it all together. Get in now.

[scooter]

Originally Posted by Uman

Even SF has made its share of mistakes because it has gotten away from its core mission of revolutionary and counter revolutionary warfare.

SF just overthrew a terrorist nation state using an indigenous force, and is currently knees deep assisting Afghanistan in fighting off a vicious insurgency. Columbia just declared victory over the FARC, having been aided by SF over a very long duration. Let’s not get hysterical.

And SF has almost a dozen core missions. This website names multiple missions in its home pages. There’s a cabal of you guys out there that thinks anything other than working with the french partisans against the nazis is a bastardization of our “real” mission. Oh, Vietnam? That’s when we were doing it right and it’s been downhill since then? You probably mean the CIDG mission - A camps out in the hinterlands. You’re probably forgetting all the other SR and DA stuff that was done, quite a bit of it unilaterally.

We’ve done lots of stuff. We’re still doing lots of stuff. It’s a big ole bowl of mission sets. If you want to be the “break glass in case of a revolution” force, you’ll find yourself next to the pathfinders and LRS units wondering what happened.

[Uman]

Unless we use the Tamill Tigers as an example but we not do it because our UCMJ.
SF not fully understanding revolutionary and counter revolutionary war is one of the reasons for us being in Afghanistan long. If you study SF history you will see that it lost the local political war in the village after it went on the offensive with the CIDG program, prior to that it was doing very well at the village war with the CIDG. The VSO program was the only strategy that attacked the enemy's strategy. If we are centered on just killing the enemy they will outlast us like the NVA did. That is history speaking.

[scooter]

Originally Posted by Uman

Unless we use the Tamill Tigers as an example but we not do it because our UCMJ.
SF not fully understanding revolutionary and counter revolutionary war is one of the reasons for us being in Afghanistan long. If you study SF history you will see that it lost the local political war in the village after it went on the offensive with the CIDG program, prior to that it was doing very well at the village war with the CIDG. The VSO program was the only strategy that attacked the enemy's strategy. If we are centered on just killing the enemy they will outlast us like the NVA did. That is history speaking.

We actually agree on that 100 percent. For what its worth, VSO was suggested in Afghanistan long before it was actually tried, but DoD and DoS killed it. They were terrified of "militias" due to Afghanistan's history. When it was implemented, Karzai and the various CG's kept the funding and Tashkil for ALP small so that the program would never morph into a threat to the Afghan government. The starvation level of funds and gear, along with the natural limitation on SOF teams, kept the program from having large scale effects. The problem was structural and beyond CJSOTF or SOJTF's ability to influence. But you're right, it was a way better approach than HVI hunting and armed recce.

Iraq was the wholesale baby of the conventional military, and all policy and strategy was formulated by MNF-I. The only SOF commands were O6's, and were outgunned at the table when policy was being formed. No one wanted SF to do Vietnam style COIN, to the point that battle space owners would lose their shit if you went anywhere near the local government. That was THEIR KLE, thank you very much. So, SF was asked to build local DA/CT forces, since we had the ability to actually find the individual bad guys. SF did way better in Anbar, where they built inroads with the tribal structures and eventually got them to flip to our side, fighters included. That essentially won the war in Anbar.

SF did the slow burn in Columbia and the Philippines, where we had a freer hand, and things turned out pretty well. All I am saying is that we haven't strayed from some mythical golden age of SF, and sometimes the limits on what we can do aren't self imposed - they come from the larger military or government, which can and do have a say over the way SOF operates.

[tom kelly]

Irreconcilable Differences, Have divided this country. The Spineless GOP has been bullied into submission by the radical left and their idea of the future of the USA; "The Green New Deal" Medicare for All; Open Borders, Coup Attempts on a duly elected POTUS, not once, but, four times. The 2nd civil war has started with the Deep State Actors, The George Soros funded political candidates, The DNC and the Main Stream Media, The Radical Left party in Congress that have allied with each other. Impeachment is failing and the Democrat Candidates know they can not win the Presidency in 2020; and so does everybody outside and inside the Wash.D C beltway. A peaceful separation is not possible at this late stage of the confrontation. The Parasite Government and the Military Elitist are fighting to maintain the 'status Quo". The telling moment will be the I G Report and the Durman Criminal Investigation of the BHO Regime. The abusers most be indicted and tried. No two tier Justice System. The Alternative, is armed conflict.What do YOU think will happen?

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by tom kelly

The Alternative, is armed conflict.What do YOU think will happen?

I think the fractures that count are the ones already apparent at very local levels, within states. Prognosticators like to draw pretty maps from their fanstasies for the internet. Typically these are done along historic regional lines of the US or some pre-conceived notion of "blue vs. red" or, with help of some THC, along fantasized dotted lines depicting New Canada or Calexico or some such moniker. Both approaches, imo, are incorrect.

A very large number of states are populated by a general bunch of folks who would say their lives are enriched by LESS government intrusion and tend more toward close-at-hand mutual sustainment, and the state also contains 1 or 2 metro hives who cannot survive without the daily magnetism of many levels of government allowing it to happen. (I also think that in a cataclysmic situation these big hives are the easiest to bring to their knees because of that dependence.)

I don't believe there is a single national solution & think it will take a concerted effort, across generations, to reverse or at least retard the trend toward communism. That starts local; it has to. As Pete has pointed out many times regarding national 3rd party candidates, their failure has been because there is no large-scale support because they've never "grown" these candidates from the ground up, city to district to state, then to country.

When a school has a student who embraces hunting, farm life & southern "life style" and has a stars & bars sticker on their pickup truck next to the John Deere tractor sticker, but is then demonized because a single student - who happens to be a member of a "protected class" - decides they "feel threatened", it's not the national state of affairs that's going to fix that. It starts with who you put on that school board and the questions asked before the Spring local election.

That said, I don't think the ballot box is, in our lifetimes, going to yield the change we might wish to see for our grand-children. The 2 current political parties are too similar - in many cases they just wear different color ties with their suits. The triggering event may go unnoticed (intentionally or not) but when a metro blue county decides they like the stuff owned by the red suburban county next door (which itself blends into more rural counties before it bumps against another metropolis) then the ammo cans are going to get opened. At that point we're all going to be Korean grocers on the rooftops.

I'd much prefer not to have that happen, and my 'druthers would be 30-40 people with torches & pitchforks in front of the city hall first, rather than some 200,000 on the National Mall in Mordor on the Potomac. Local. Local. Local. (see sigline)

[Old Dog New Trick]

Tom, I’m afraid it’s already too late. The dye is cast, the IG and Durham investigations will not sway the Left or convince the independents of the criminal wrongdoing of the previous administration. Justice will not be forthcoming. It will just be called a conspiracy by Trump to interfere with - everything!

Either Trump (against all odds) and Giuliani have played a masterful hand on Ukraine or they have overplayed the hand dealt to them by all the actors in the Deep State.

I fear we are an assassination away from armed civil conflict and the restructuring of America. The silent majority are now middle class centrists but they have no voice, no representation, and no power to influence the radical fringes of the left and right.

Bloodshed will not solve America’s problems but perhaps food will. Good thing those with the most guns control the food and borders. Should be short.