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Old 12-06-2009, 22:58   #1
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Al-Qaida Confirms "Martyrdom" of Former Guantanamo Detainee in Yemen

Hallelujah! ...it appears Gitmo is only a stage for hardening, and for them to become better warriors. Lets bring em' all back to New York!
To bad Yusuf couldn't have been permanently incarcerated - in a "pine box"...

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Al-Qaida Confirms "Martyrdom" of Former Guantanamo Detainee in Yemen
By Evan Kohlmann

Al-Qaida's network in the Arabian Peninsula (Yemen) has released the audio-recorded wills of two mujahideen operatives who were recently "martyred" in clashes with local security forces -- including former Guantanamo Bay detainee #114 Yusuf Muhammad Mubarak al-Jebairy al-Shehri. The younger brother of a senior Al-Qaida member, al-Shehri first left his home in Saudi Arabia in mid-2001 in order to wage jihad alongside the Taliban because he "thought that participating in jihad with the Taliban was the right thing to do... the Taliban were good Muslims.” In the midst of fleeing the crumbling Taliban frontline in late 2001, Yusuf al-Shehri was captured and sent as an Al-Qaida detainee to Guantanamo Bay.

During Yusuf al-Shehri’s eventual hearings before an administrative review panel, several major factors weighed heavily against his release from Guantanamo. According to the Pentagon, a “foreign government service” not only classified him as a “high priority target” among those held in Guantanamo, but in fact, had pegged him at the fourth-top slot on their list. Throughout his questioning and interrogation by U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies, “when the detainee has been confronted with his inconsistencies and lies, he has flatly refused to cooperate or has told more lies. The detainee advised that the FBI, the United States, and the interrogators are the enemy.” According to al-Shehri’s case file maintained by the Pentagon: “The detainee stated he considers all Americans his enemy. The detainee decided that he hates all Americans because they attack his religion, Islam. Since Americans are the detainee's enemy, he will continue to fight them until he dies. The detainee pointed to the sky and told the interviewing agents that he will have a meeting with them in the next life… The detainee cannot understand why the detainees are held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba with no trial. The detainee has come to believe the reason is that America wants to destroy Islam.” Yet, despite these disturbing charges in his case file, Yusuf al-Shehri was nonetheless released by the U.S. military from detention in Guantanamo Bay on November 9, 2007, and delivered into the custody of local security forces in Saudi Arabia. It is not known when, how, or why al-Shehri was able to escape his Saudi captors and travel to Yemen.
http://counterterrorismblog.org/2009...rtyrdom_of.php

What? Eleven more from Gitmo join the fight as well - Eric Holder should be proud...

> http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscel...nees0209-1.pdf
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:45   #2
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Hallelujah! ...it appears Gitmo is only a stage for hardening, and for them to become better warriors. Lets bring em' all back to New York!

Outstanding thanks for the link!
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Old 12-07-2009, 08:38   #3
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Liberals will tell you that it was Gitmo's fault. They were nice people before we wrongly sent them there - then we corrupted them...which is clearly why they conducted such atrocities.

It's all our fault. Can't you see that?


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which is a good metaphor for those who insist that they see no islamic evil, hear no islamic evil and never speak of islam's evil.]


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Old 12-07-2009, 08:44   #4
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Hallelujah! ...it appears Gitmo is only a stage for hardening, and for them to become better warriors.
Unfortunately this isn't isolated to just GitMo...an up and coming jihadist (e.g. Islamic Gangsta) simply needs to be detained & held in "prison" where he'll learn more tradecraft and, more importantly, get vetted & get "street cred".

Amnesty is NOT the way to go.

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Old 12-07-2009, 09:03   #5
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Actually - most of the literature and reports I've read from the full range of the political spectrum leads me to believe the situation is much more complicated and has stated all of the following positions:
  • There are many in Gitmo who belong there
  • There are many in Gitmo who do not belong there
  • Our problem with Gitmo has been in identifying those who truly belong there among the many who are merely suspect
  • There are some who were not committed jihadists prior to Gitmo and have taken up that cause since their release - was Gitmo the cause or were they headed in that direction anyway
  • There are some who were committed jihadists prior to Gitmo, were released, and have again taken up that cause
  • Gitmo is a complicated situation for all - not only the USA
Along those same lines of reasoning, I've been wondering if anyone has an answer to something which has puzzled me - an 18F type question - when a source {such as al-Quaeda} declares something which doesn't support a firmly held belief, it is decried as yet another example of the to be expected perfidy of the true Islamic follower as sanctioned by Koranic verse - but - when the very same source posts something which agrees with those views, it is readily taken at face value and used as 'proof' to support the already firmly held position without question.

I have no answers to the dilemma presented to us with this matter - but have to wonder - which is it?

And so it goes...

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Old 12-07-2009, 09:34   #6
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...identifying those who truly belong there...
THAT is the difficult part! Nobody wants recommend release for the next terrorist that kills Americans. Tough job...I assume the criteria for transfer to Gitmo has changed?

Is Gitmo an intelligence facility (war) or a detention facility (crime prevention)?
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[*]There are some who were not committed jihadists prior to Gitmo and have taken up that cause since their release - was Gitmo the cause or were they headed in that direction anyway
[*]There are some who were committed jihadists prior to Gitmo, were released, and have again taken up that cause
Yemen al-Qaeda link to Guantanamo

By Peter Taylor
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The failed Detroit airliner bomb attack on Christmas Day awakened the world to the threat from al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), a group that until then was hardly a household name.


Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, a young Nigerian who allegedly came within an ace of killing almost 300 passengers and crew with a bomb hidden in his underwear, said he had been trained and sent by its leaders.

US President Barack Obama's embarrassment and anger at the potentially catastrophic failure of intelligence which allowed Mr Abdulmutallab to board the plane has been compounded by the revelation that two of AQAP's founders, Said al-Shihri and Mohammed al-Awfi, were both former Guantanamo detainees.

Several AQAP foot soldiers are also former Guantanamo prisoners.

This only confirms the fears of critics vehemently opposed to Mr Obama's promise to close the prison camp by the end of this month.

Deviant ideology

In total, 111 Saudi detainees have been repatriated from Guantanamo.

Mr Obama's dilemma is dramatically illustrated by a BBC investigation into what happened to the 14 detainees of Batch 10, who were flown home to Saudi Arabia 18 months ago.

The Saudi government's aim was to put them, like all the other returnees, through its controversial de-radicalisation or Care programme, with a view to rehabilitating its "beneficiaries" in society.

The government claims a 90% success rate and says that only 10 of the 111 former Guantanamo detainees absconded, crossing the border into Yemen.

But Batch 10 certainly does not fit this picture.

When the Saudi 747 jet carrying them landed in Riyadh, its passengers were greeted by the authorities not as heroes but as "victims" who had been brainwashed and misled by a deviant ideology.

All went through the Care programme, but five later escaped to Yemen.

Increasing threat

There two of them, al-Shihri and al-Awfi, helped set up AQAP and then took part in the organisation's launch video.

The video was released on 22 January 2009, the day after Mr Obama announced that Guantanamo was to be closed down by 22 January 2010 - a deadline which will not be met.

In the video al-Awfi savagely attacked the Saudi rehabilitation programme, perhaps an indication of the increasing threat it poses to al-Qaeda.

It is no coincidence that last October an al-Qaeda suicide bomber, with explosives concealed in his rectum, tried to assassinate the eponymous founder of the centre, Prince Mohammed Bin Nayef, the Saudi deputy interior minister.

He survived. The bomber did not.

The attack was a sign of the technical sophistication of al-Qaeda's Yemeni franchise, mirrored by the explosives hidden in Abdulmutallab's underpants on Christmas Day.

Capitulation

Mohammed al-Awfi's is an extraordinary story. He went through the rehabilitation programme like the others from Batch 10, but then fled to Yemen where he starred in the al-Qaeda launch video.

Astonishingly al-Awfi later re-crossed the border into Saudi Arabia and gave himself up.


I have never understood why he did so.

The Saudis told me it was because he had received a phone call from his wife telling him to return to look after her and the children.

The explanation caused me to raise a quizzical eyebrow. I was told it is not unknown for the Saudis to use families as bait.

Al-Awfi is now living in luxury accommodation in Riyadh's top security prison where he is being drained of every scrap of intelligence.

He has all the comforts of home, a well furnished flat and regular visits by a grateful and relieved family.

After long negotiations with the Ministry of the Interior, I was finally allowed to meet him for an interview.

Surprisingly for a former jihadi who had breathed such fire in the al-Qaeda video, he was gentle and unthreatening, with pristine white robes, and a red and white checked Saudi keffiyeh.

His story and the reasons for his change of heart are well rehearsed.

Eighteen months earlier the interior ministry had video-taped the return of Batch 10.

In it one of the first returnees to be seen boarding the plane is al-Awfi.

He is dishevelled and appears to be in pain, the result, he told me, of being tortured by the Americans at Bagram airbase in Afghanistan six years earlier.

Al-Awfi claimed his US interrogators had done terrible things to him. He alleges they sat him on a chair, made a hole in the seat, and then "pulled out the testicles from underneath which they then hit with a metal rod".

"They'd then tie up your penis and make you drink salty water in order to make you urinate without being able to do so, until they make you scream," he added.

Painful memories

I spoke to other former detainees who allege they had been subjected to electric shock treatment at Bagram and Kandahar.

When I asked al-Awfi why the rehabilitation programme had not worked for him, he said it was because the memories of what he had suffered at the hands of Americans were far more powerful than any corrective inducements he had received in the Care programme.

I asked him about his participation in the video.

Now securely in Saudi hands and surrounded by Saudi minders, he told me he had been forced into it.

"The al-Qaeda leadership there put pressure on me to appear," he said.

"I came and found a photocopied paper with a full text of what they wanted me to say. I even disagreed, but they said I had to recite all these things for political reasons."

He says the recording took six hours and lasted until 0200 in the morning.

I then asked al-Awfi why he had decided to return after making the video.

"I saw the truth," he said. "I saw that the path was a deviant path away from the sayings of the Prophet. Thanks to God Almighty's generosity, I realised that and I made a final decision to return to Saudi Arabia."

I personally suspect there was much more to it than that though.

But al-Awfi is alive, unlike another former detainee from Batch 10, Youssef Al-Shihri, who also joined al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

Last October he crossed the border from Yemen into Saudi Arabia disguised in a burqa, with six others from Yemen to carry out a bomb attack.

The cell was intercepted by the Saudi security forces. Al-Shihri and another member of the cell were shot dead in the ensuing gun battle. Three loaded explosive belts were found in their car.

Bigger threats

Two others returnees from Batch 10 - Murtadha Ali Saeed Magram and Turki Meshawi Zayid al-Assiri - are still at large in Yemen and on the Saudi wanted list.

And what of Said al-Shihri who was on the same flight as al-Awfi and who later appeared with him in the al-Qaeda video?

Al-Shihri now represents the biggest threat of all as he is believed to be second in command - the deputy leader - of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

In the video he declared "our imprisonment has only increased our persistence".

What happened in the skies above Detroit on Christmas Day is an indication of that.
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