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Old 05-12-2011, 14:26   #1
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UW and village-level community missions or projects ideas

I started something about Water pumps (RAM PUMP) tread. I wanted here to open a tread on what SF guys have done or think would help out during a UW or village-level community missions or projects. Things that would make a Fire Base less reliant on KAF abd BAF for everything and more self-sufficient. Yes I know we would need about 2 or 3 Classes out of the supply system. But need everything. UW you need to be almost fully self-sufficient and resilient. Just keep in mind OPSEC too, keep it general.

Here are some links that SFODAs should find generally useful - they have the important advantage of being FREE. I say download them and save the file or PDF now. Because most get changed by the ORG or Universtity yearly.

These are more general agricultural/rural plans some useful - like diy concrete water tanks, but some not so useful, like nuclear fallout shelters. All the plans are .pdf's. Just look to the left side, but this site delets a lot to make space for the University so save if you like what you found.

http://www.ag.ndsu.nodak.edu/abeng/buildingfacility.htm

This site is GREAT for plans. Now for every area that SF can deploy to you will work off what the locals do for their livestock and farm techniques. But you have plans here on this site that you can use on deployments; even around your house.

http://www.cps.gov.on.ca/english/planmenu.htm

Louisiana State University AG Center is great too. Just look off to the Left side again, drop down screens to enjoy.

http://www.lsuagcenter.com/

This is a windmill enthusiasts page, best I could find part and plans off of. NOT FREE tho:

http://www.thebackshed.com/Windmill/default.asp

Nice simple Windmill plan ro print out and put into your 18C Booklet for deployments.

http://www.lindsaybks.com/bks3/wmotor/index.html

Books like this one can be found in your local Libary or B&N. I say go to your local Libary and check out what the have and bring it home to the team room copy what you need and once again put it into your 18C Booklet.

http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/pag...=1,46096,46100

If you want to buy a Windmill kit or get your CERP or CA guys to spend some money here is a nice site to show them what you need. You can get whole windmills or just parts.

http://www.windmills.net/
http://www.ironmanwindmill.com/
Video on making homemade Energy Windmills: http://windmill-power.net/

Plans To Make a Windmill Out Of PVC Pipe. This is okay.. good ideas to work off of.

http://www.squidoo.com/Windmill-Plans-PVC-Pipe

I like this Elephant Pump or latrine. Nice Youtube links too. Need a latrine for your ANA, great idea here!!

http://www.pumpaid.org/ Follow explanation for Elephant Pump.

Organisations who may provide practicle designs, their web site have a lot of Information too. Helps out the ODA when the CAT is weak.
http://www.usaid.gov/
http://www.ausaid.gov.au/closeup/etimor_aid.cfm
http://www.careaustralia.org.au/
http://www.worldvision.com.au/

So what have you done or wish you could do??
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Old 05-12-2011, 14:54   #2
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Here is something to think about.

Most locals within a given geographic location have some type of livestock. So having Chickens, Turkeys, Rabbits, Goats, Cattle, Pigs on your fire base or given area should be easy. Okay Care for them and tending to them. Locals, just like we hire people to pull security and provide transportation for your fire base or given area you can hire them. How many fire bases hire a local welder or mechanic and cooks? Why not hire two or three guys to tend to your livestock. Those guys can even be dual usage in the FB kitchen.

Farming. We have the Seeds and Trees CA program in Afghanistan. Taking a program such as this and using it on many different ways. For one.. You want to stop or slow down the Poppy harvest. You provide the locals the same kind of corps they use to grow before Poppy was the money cash cow for them or before the TB told everyone to grow it. So all those spinach, okra, potatoes, egg plant, tomatoes, tree fruits, ETC that a local can grow can be purchased by the SFODA. You can have the locals bring them to your fire base or you can pick them up whenever you’re in their village and stop by the farm or get it at the local buzzard. You can send your local procurement guy from the FB to get all your vegetables.

Cattle and Livestock. Goats, cattle, swine and sheep. Same as above; on your FB or from the local villages.
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Old 05-12-2011, 17:35   #3
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Remembered this site for convention and calculation of Electrical power supplies. It's nice when your trying to figure electrical power out. Just get two of the values and your golden.

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-ohm.htm

Well you still need to get your 50KWa Generator. Yes I say 50KWa Generator. When you start adding up all the Compuers and IT Stuff, Lighting, Radio Power supply, Coffee Makers , 3Di system, FP equipment, and MWR stuff.
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OKAY for me a QP I understand that this is a 18C Tread area. But I do know there are a ton of knowledge on the site from many different people.

Just as in the Be perpared Tread, so many people have the know in making things work. IF your a farmer, cattle rancher, electrician, ETC you likely have something to add. I would like to see here what ODAs are doing or plan to and didn't work for them. Not just from 18Cs, but all 18 series. I know so many here don't like posting and just luking. POST!!

Brush Okie Nice Post.. Good thinking. But your FtLewis.ed link is broken?? Did you check it out?

Were you looking for this link here??

http://www.fortlewis.edu/academics/s...20on%20BSF.htm

Large filters of this design can be made out of those 500 to 1500 Liter Blue water reservoir; tamdem water reservoir is the best way I feel.

One reservoir elevated above lower reservoir with Coarse sand and Gravel done in layers emptying into a Second reservoir with Coarse and Fine Sand with some type of Charcoal (Activated charcoal is best but hard to get and expensive). But you can take "cooking" charcoal (not Kingsford charcoal - chemicals!!) and hand crush it to small coarse charcoal. You make layer of Coarse sand then Fine Sand then Charcoal the repeat this process till the water reservoir is half full. As show in the BIOSAND Filter link.

You can also bring or order from UK or germany (220~240V) and Pool Filter systems. One reservior with sand and gravel this emptys into second small reservior then the pool pump pulls from this tank to supply water to the troops. This one will eat up chlorine.

Safe water is a must anywhere. Having half or more of a element down for Dysentery realy sucks.
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I'm gonna print this stuff. Good stuff.
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Old 05-13-2011, 04:25   #6
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OKAY for me a QP I understand that this is a 18C Tread area. But I do know there are a ton of knowledge on the site from many different people.

Just as in the Be perpared Tread, so many people have the know in making things work. IF your a farmer, cattle rancher, electrician, ETC you likely have something to add.
Re: more ideas on clean water, see QP SF_BHT's thread "Water Purification help in the Amazon"

link here

And from that, Golf1echo's link to another excellent Bio-sand filter how-to vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YeNvglOd-I

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Below is a link with a video for Play Pumps International.

Merry-Go-Round powered water pumps.

http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/ab...zmrOr_vB_YWNyA
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Below is a link with a video for Play Pumps International.

Merry-Go-Round powered water pumps.

http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/ab...zmrOr_vB_YWNyA
I have always like the idea of this sytle of pumps. Link here if the Hydraulic Water Pump Tread talking about the Playpumps

Here is the link to Play Pumps NGO site.

U of Wis study on bringing the costs down on the play pumps. They had one post prototype going for about $3k-$3700 in parts bought there in Madison, WI. Link has desgins within the PDF too.

http://urbanagdesign.com/Designing%2...20PlayPump.pdf
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Every ODA should have a complete set of the Foxfire books to use as a reference guide for helping rural village societies. We used to use them.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss...s+complete+set

I still have a set here at the house; my sons enjoyed reading them when they were growing up - said it was like listening to their grandfather teach them things out on the ranch when they spent summers there.

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Bicycle pump

My Brit NGO friends have good things to say about Maya Pedal, specifically the pedal-powered water pump used for irrigation and drinking water. It employs a rope pump, which has been shown to be a system that can be easily maintained by local populations -- it's basically just rope and expedient washers. They claim 5-10 gallons per minute from wells up to 30 in meters depth. There's also a portable pedal-powered pumping project on the same page.

ETA: Here's the link to Google SketchUp needed to see the 3D plans on Maya Pedal
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Here is something PM to me on water..

Also here is another site with a ton of info on various things related to what you are asking for whether how-to solar cookers, small farming, clean water, farming, pumps, resource books etc etc. Pardon the hippie-ish name though (not my site):

http://journeytoforever.org/

What would works to make you more self sufficient in a UW environment?
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Raising Beef Cattle

Okay I’m taking a lead from The Reaper…. Some organization on this tread

I think we have hit procurement of water for a fire base and then purifying that water. I know there is more like grey water storage to use of water bilvets. If you have more to add please do. I would like to know what 18Ds and 18Cs are doing overseas with water procured from local wells? Do you test it? If so how. Water test sets are gone on most ODAs now.

I like to hear from all you guys that have grown up on a Livestock Farm and/or Ranch. You guys that were FFA members (Still are).

Let’s start off with raising Beef Cattle. Who has done a FFA high school project of raising a Cow for the state fair? I never have never so nothing to really add. For any of you that where around 2001 in the City of Gnjilane, Kosovo where Camp Monteith is; out front of the main gate was a meat butcher. Our ODA help those local set up shop, along with teaching them how to cut a real steak - T-bone style. SO I can only pull from that as far as cattle ranches and all. I and my ODA 18D went out and inspected the “ranch” where the cattle were raised. While in Kosovo I used this when it was a web site, now UTAH State has put it into a PDF file.
http://www.msuextension.org/ruralliv..._few_acres.pdf
I like the http://www.cps.gov.on.ca cattle section for plans too.
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Beef cattle take a lot of feed, water, and attention for the amount of meat they provide.

Hogs are better, and goats better yet, rabbits, chickens, etc. are the best, IIRC.

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Beef cattle take a lot of feed, water, and attention for the amount of meat they provide.

Hogs are better, and goats better yet, rabbits, chickens, etc. are the best, IIRC.

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True but like I didn't know Jack about them when I first ran into them in Kosovo. I thought I start with bovine (cows). I know some FFA guys have raised one or two in their HS days. Guys should know what to look for if they run into them. Myself and my Medic didn't know so I was calling back home and asking people about them and what all was needed, etc. Luck thing was my brother-n-law was a butcher so he set me a CD on proper cutting of Cows.

I just wanted to cover bovine (cows) then move onto other livestock. Beleive you I know how much it takes and how long. But there is nothing better than a good piece of BEEF!!

So who has grown up on a Beef Ranch or raised some bovine for FFA project?
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...On top of being good to eat the feces is good fertlizer....
I don't think that came out quite the way you intended.

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